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    Posted: 07 Nov. 09 at 12:22
http://mechanism.ucsd.edu/~bill/teaching/philbio/vitalism.htm

C.G. Hempel, by contrast, insists that the fault with vitalism is not that it posits entities which cannot be observed, but that such explanations ‘render all statements about entelechies inaccessible to empirical test and thus devoid of empirical meaning’ because no methods of test, however indirect, are provided

This ia my point of view.
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Empirical tests are also devoid of any meaning.

You want to capture the infinite in your hand and thus suffer from the delusion of measurability. There are many things that are immeasurabe and to think that the infinite can be held within the confines of your fist is the greatest delusion of all. You are infinitesimal and want to capture the infinite - all your energy posting here to that effect is a waste of time on an impossibility.

As Kent says:
 ‘’Causes exist in such subtle form that they cannot be seen by the eye. There is no disease that exists of which the cause is known to man by the eye or the microscope. Causes are infinitely too fine to be observed by any instrument of precision. They are so immaterial that they correspond to and operate upon the interior of man. They are ultimated in the body in the form of function- or tissue-changes that finally are recognized by the eye.’’
                                        (Kent J.T. ‘Lectures on the philosophy’)

As to the empirical method:
‘There is a state of insanity in the sciences of the present day. They put all laws aside, in order to accept for instance the germ-theory (or for that matter any theory), because they want something that in its aggregate is large enough to be seen with the eye and to be felt with the fingers.’
                                                                       (Kent J.T. Lesser Writings)



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well now you quote c j hempel...quote many others too...but the basic thing is that science is study of phenomenon and no speculation only....it is occurring  why? how?and all the questions are to found out and then many things remain unanswered but phenomenon does not stop....sun will rise,,rivers will flow,,energy will be there whether it could be measured today or tomorrow or never...

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>but the basic thing is that science is study of phenomenon and no speculation only..

My opposition is to overcompexifing thing in homeopathy.

Hahnemann cwanted to create not new branch of applied science but sect of secret knowledge .

The article by Manish Bhatia talks for itself .

http://www.hpathy.com/philosophy/bhatia-Aphorism9-10.asp


Vital Force is a name given to that ‘something’, which is the difference between a living creature and a dead body. Different people have related it to energy, soul, spirit, religion etc...

Here again many people, who try to understand Organon, become religiously philosophical. They start thinking about God and being one with God. But Organon is a scientific medical text. It can bring out philosophical shades of its writer, but at no point does it reflect an overt inclination to any religious practice or metaphysical explanations. So the question is, what is the higher purpose of our existence?

In order to heal the concept if VF is redundant and confusing , but this is tradition .



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             < Phenomenological Theory. A theory which expresses mathematically the results of observed phenomena without paying detailed attention to their fundamental significance. >

                Newton once said : "I do not invent hypotheses" and "I shall not mix conjectures with reliability" >
 
            Indeed, Newton did not invent the gravitational constant G and sadly, it turned out to be a mere inspired Phenomenological Theory, the way you aptly defined it.

   For a hypothesis to be put forward as a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot be satisfactorily explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously in common and informal usage, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory  


       The tale is told that Sir Issac Newton was snoozing under an apple tree when a fruit fell on his head to startle him from slumber. Newton's knock on his noggin inspired his Theory of Gravitation. Issac's own rude awakening made him the founding father of our modern mechanistic paradigm.

                            Has it ever been proved that gravity is proportional to mass?

No!  This was an assumption that Newton made and others followed, but since nobody pretends to have actually weighed the Sun or the planets it has never been checked.  Laboratory experiments have attempted to check it for small bodies, but (a) it is impossible to separate gravitational from electrostatic effects and (b) we have not been told all the facts.  The various anomalies such as variations with temperature and with the coating on the object have not reached the text books.

   The Pioneers 10 and 11, spacecrafts deployed to explore the outer solar system, were reported to have experienced a constant anomalous acceleration toward the Sun

   Perhaps even more relevant are a few chapters in Matt Edwards' book, "Pushing Gravity".  Here you will find details of probably the only experimental tests ever to have been made that investigate the possibility of gravitational shielding.  They were performed by Quirino Majorana round about 1920.  Despite his best efforts they were inconclusive and (like Dayton Miller's work) need to be repeated, the results were compatible with a degree of "gravitational absorption" that would mean that the Sun could be about three times as massive as we currently think.
              Issac never asked the question: "Who aimed the apple at my head?" Yet Newton believed the common sense of his time: Earth is a living creature.  How did the apple get in the tree ?" What force mobilizes water and minerals to climb out of earth and assemble in orderly geometry as tree and its fruit? Why do trees grow up? Without thinking, most people insist light makes trees grow up. But even in darkness trees grow up, so phototropism doesn't effect the upthrust bud. A clue to answer this queer query is the very shape of Issac's apple, it's not really a sphere, but a donut without a hole -- the shape of a magnetic field.
              So what makes trees grow up is magnetism.  Newton's gravitational constant G changes with the orientation of test masses by at least 0.054 per cent, according to Gershteyn's experiments, a remarkable and unprecedented finding that has landed his paper on the subject in the journal Gravitation and Cosmology. "The existence of such an effect requires simply a radically new theory of gravitation, because the magnitude of this effect dwarfs any of Einstein's corrections to Newtonian gravity." Isaac Newton first described G in 1687 as a fundamental component of his universal law of gravity. Two masses, Newton said, attract one another with a force proportional to their mass that falls off rapidly as the bodies move farther and farther apart. Albert Einstein later used G in his own field equations that fine-tuned Newton's original laws.

                    The constant G puts precise limits on gravity's attractive force and appears in equations that describe any gravitational field, whether the field is between planets, stars, galaxies, microscopic particles or rays of light. Centuries of measurement have firmly fixed the value of G at 6.673 x 10 raised to the power minus 11 cubic meters per kilogram per square second.If G varies under any circumstances, scientists would have to rewrite virtually every physical law and a long-accepted feature of the Universe isotropy, or the condition that a body's physical properties are independent of its orientation in space.

``Gershteyn and his co-workers lay an extraordinary and very interesting claim which if proven true would change our view of the universe," Lev Tsimring, a research physicist with the Institute for Nonlinear Science at the University of California San Diego, told UPI.The experiment, he said, would seek to detect gravitational anisotropy the condition that the attractive force between bodies would vary with respect to their spatial orientation, not their separating distance.

        Experimental evidence that the gravitational constant varies with orientation

Authors: Mikhail L. Gershteyn (1 and 2), Lev I. Gershteyn (2), Arkady Gershteyn (2), Oleg V. Karagioz (3) ((1) Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA, U.S., (2) Insight Product Co., Brighton, MA, U.S., (3) Tribotech division of National Institute of Aviation Technology, Moscow, Russia)
(Submitted on 22 Feb 2002 (v1), last revised 12 Apr 2002 (this version, v2))

    Abstract: In 1687, Isaac Newton published the universal law of gravitation stating that two bodies attract each other with a force proportional to the product of their masses and the inverse square of the distance. The constant of proportionality, G, is one of the fundamental constants of nature. As the precision of measurements increased the disparity between the values of G, gathered by different groups, surprisingly increased. This unique situation was reflected by the 1998 CODATA decision to increase the relative G uncertainty from 0.013% to 0.15 %. Our repetitive measurements of the gravitational constant (G) show that G varies significantly with the orientation of the test masses relative to the system of fixed stars, as was predicted by the Attractive Universe Theory. The distances between the test masses were in the decimeter range. We have observed that G changes with the orientation by at least 0.054%.

     Swing a bucket of water at the end of rope and centrifugal forces pull it up and away. These forces result from the combined gravitational pull of all the distant stars and planets, Austrian physicist Ernst Mach wrote. Any change in the orientation of heavenly bodies would affect forces on matter everywhere, so powerful is their combined effect. The idea that G may change with respect to the way a body is positioned relative to the rest of the universe is simply an example of Mach's adage: matter out there affects forces right here.

      In view of the latest scientific findings from outer space, does Newton's gravitational constant G hold any water ?


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And then there is of course this:
Biological Transmutations

Long before the discovery of "cold fusion" by Pons and Fleischman, other scientists had variously found phenomenal evidence of non-radioactive, low-energy transmutation of light elements in plant, animals and minerals. These reactions have come to be known as "biological transmutations" or "nuclido-biological reactions". This class of nuclear reactions is of great importance to the progress of human knowledge in the fields of physics, cosmology, biology, geology, ecology, medicine, nutrition and agriculture. The exact mechanisms of biological transmutations remain unknown, though a few theories have been proposed to explain them. Biological transmutations exist and cannot be denied; they are the very core of living nature, which could not function without them.

The study of biological transmutation can be said to have begun in the 17th century with the famous experiment by von Helmont, who grew a willow tree in a clay vase with 200 pounds of soil. After 5 years, he dried the soil and found that its weight had decreased by only 2 ounces: "Water alone had, therefore, been sufficient to produce 160 pounds of wood, bark and roots" (plus fallen leaves which he did not weigh). Presumably, there were some minerals in the water he fed to the tree. Nowadays we know that plants form carbohydrates from atmospheric carbon dioxide, but their mineral content is derived from soil, not air. It may be possible, however, that the ORMEs (Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements), discovered by David Hudson in the 1980s, exist in the atmosphere and are utilized by plants.

In 1799, the French chemist Vauquelin became intrigued by the quantity of lime which hens excrete every day. He isolated a hen and fed it a pound of oats which were analyzed for lime (CaO). Vauquelin analyzed the eggs and feces and found five times more Ca was excreted than was consumed. He concluded that lime had been created, but could not figure out how it happened.

In 1822, the English physiologist Prout studied the increase of calcium carbonate inside incubating chicken eggs, and was able to show that it was not contributed by the shell.

In 1831, Choubard germinated watercress seeds in clean glass vessels and showed that the sprouts contained minerals which did not previously exist in the seeds.

In 1844, Vogel also found evidence of biological transmutation. J.J. Berzelius reported the experiment in his Treatise on Mineral, Plant and Animal Chemistry (1849):

He sprouted seeds of cress... in crushed glass deprived of sulfate or of any other sulfurous compound; he watered them with distilled water, covered them with a glass cloche and analyzed the air of the room, so as to determine the sulfur... A few months later, the adult plants with ripe seeds, were dried and burnt with a mixture of potassium nitrate and potassium carbonate; the result was that a quantity of sulfuric acid double that which was contained in the seeds was produced. These experiments demonstrate that either sulfur is not a simple element or that the source which produced the sulfur has remained unknown, despite all the care which had been taken to discover it... 

Circa 1850, Lauwes and Gilbert observed an inexplicable variation in the amount of magnesium in the ashes of plants.

From 1875-1883, von Herzeele conducted 500 analyses which verified an increase in weight in the ashes of plants grown without soil in a controlled medium. He concluded that, "Plants are capable of effecting the transmutation of elements". His publications so outraged the scientific community of the time, they were removed from libraries. His writings were lost for more than 50 years until a collection was found in Berlin by Dr. Hauscka, who subsequently published von Herzeele's findings.

M. Baranger (Ecole Polytechnique, Paris) became intrigued with Von Herzeele's experiments, but he thought that the number of trials had been too limited and the precautions against error were insufficient. Baranger decided to repeat the experiments with all possible precautions and a very large number of cases which would allow a statistical study. His research project lasted four years and involved thousands of analyses. Baranger verified the content of P, K, and Ca of vetch seeds before and after germination in twice-distilled water to which pure calcium chloride was/was not added. Hundreds of lots of 7-10 grams each were selected, weighed to 1/100th milligram, and graded, then germinated in a controlled environment. The plants were tested by the methods described by A. Brunel-Tourcoin in his Practical Treatise of Plant Chemistry (1948). Baranger found a significant decrease in P in the Ca-series of tests. Non-germinated seeds and seeds germinated in the distilled water showed no significant change in their levels of K. Those seeds treated with CaCl2 showed a 10% increase in their K content.

None of the specialists who examined Baranger's work were able to find any experimental errors. Baranger concluded:

These results, obtained by taking all possible precautions, confirm the general conclusions proposed by V. Herzeele and lead one to think that under certain conditions the plants are capable of forming elements which did not exist before in the external environment.

[The practical consequences] cannot be underestimated... Certain plants would bring to the soil some elements useful for the growth of other plants; this would lead us especially to define and revise the current notions on fallows, rotations, mixed crop, fertilizers and the manuring of infertile soils. Nothing prevents us from thinking that certain plants are capable of producing rare elements of industrial importance....

In the sub-atomic field, the plant supplies us with an example of transformation which we are not capable of performing in the laboratory without bringing into action particles of high-energy... It seems that the theoretical consequences in the field of sub-atomic physics are not negligible.

So, now what, Alex?

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     <   In order to heal the concept if VF is redundant and confusing , but this is tradition >

                                     Mind-Body Healing

                   The holistic view of healing teaches that human beings are more than just the physical body and that emotions,thoughts,attidudes and spirituality play an essential role in healing. Rather than conform to the predominat medical view that there is one cause and one cure to disease, holism stresses that health and disease depend on a dynamic and often subtle interplay among the physical,emotional.mental and  spiritual aspects of our being, as well as our relationship to the environ­ment in which we live.

                  " Health is harmony, and harmony has no meaning without the fluid movement of interdependent parts. Like a stream that becomes stagnant when it ceases to flow, harmony and health turn into disease when stasis oc­curs. We return to the concept of the biodance, the endless streaming of the body-in-flux.During the past few years, an important new field called psycho-neuroimmunology has developed. It is concerned with identifying the links between the mind, the brain, and the immune system and deter­mining how they communicate with each other. Researchers have scientifically confirmed that our mind and feelings influence health, while our health has a powerful effect on the mind. "

                                              - Larry Dossey, M.D. Space, Time & Medicine )

                     Healing is a process, not a magical event .  Healing involves a greater experience of Oneness, Wholeness and Reconnection with all aspects of your being.The physician is merely Nature 's assistant, only Mother Nature does the healing.
               
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Originally posted by AlexS

>but the basic thing is that science is study of phenomenon and no speculation only..

My opposition is to overcompexifing thing in homeopathy.

Hahnemann cwanted to create not new branch of applied science but sect of secret knowledge .

The article by Manish Bhatia talks for itself .

http://www.hpathy.com/philosophy/bhatia-Aphorism9-10.asp


Vital Force is a name given to that ‘something’, which is the difference between a living creature and a dead body. Different people have related it to energy, soul, spirit, religion etc...

Here again many people, who try to understand Organon, become religiously philosophical. They start thinking about God and being one with God. But Organon is a scientific medical text. It can bring out philosophical shades of its writer, but at no point does it reflect an overt inclination to any religious practice or metaphysical explanations. So the question is, what is the higher purpose of our existence?

In order to heal the concept if VF is redundant and confusing , but this is tradition .



alex you are dwarf in homoeopathy and giant in misinterpreting....
come to India and see for yourself the patients being treated by homoeopaths and for all kind of ailments from trivial to serious.....you will get a glimpse of HOMOEOPATHY....THE HOPE AND LIFE OF SO MANY...
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HAHNEMANN WANTED TO CREATE SECT....
 
HAHNEMANN NEVER CREATED HOMOEOPATHY.....HE SAID PHENOMENON IS THERE AND HE WORKED OVER IT...FOR THE BENEFIT OF MANKIND....
 
AND YOU TALK OF PHENOMENON AND JUMP AND FALL LIKE MONKEY......SHOW TEETH AND PRETEND TO BE BENEFECTOR OF MANKIND....
 
YOU TALK OF SCIENCE AND KNOW NOT THE ABCD OF SCIENCE......
 
FIRST OF ALL BE CLEAR IN WHATEVER YOU SAY......
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Piyush Kumar

alex you are dwarf in homoeopathy and giant in misinterpreting....
come to India and see for yourself the patients being treated by homoeopaths and for all kind of ailments from trivial to serious.....you will get a glimpse of HOMOEOPATHY....THE HOPE AND LIFE OF SO MANY...


1) Thank you for your compliments ...Wink
2) I am not talking about efficacy of homeopathy for certain conditions , I am talking about unnecessary constructions in homeopathy , about unscientific and redundant discussion in it.

We are talking about different things.
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Originally posted by Piyush Kumar

HAHNEMANN WANTED TO CREATE SECT....
 
HAHNEMANN NEVER CREATED HOMOEOPATHY.....HE SAID PHENOMENON IS THERE AND HE WORKED OVER IT...FOR THE BENEFIT OF MANKIND....
 
AND YOU TALK OF PHENOMENON AND JUMP AND FALL LIKE MONKEY......SHOW TEETH AND PRETEND TO BE BENEFECTOR OF MANKIND....
 
YOU TALK OF SCIENCE AND KNOW NOT THE ABCD OF SCIENCE......
 
FIRST OF ALL BE CLEAR IN WHATEVER YOU SAY......
 
 
 
 
 


Your post tells a lot ....Wink
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   For a hypothesis to be put forward as a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it.


How about concept which is ever was well defined ? ( I mean VF . )

How we can test it if it anybody understands it differently ?
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AlexS,
you've been asking me...

Articulation force is "the force of the spoken word" depending on the clear articulation of the speaker. In rhetorics you make use of articulation force.

Psychic force, in psychoanalysis, is the libidinous energy of the id. This is regarded as the
primary motivating force in the human personality. Also called psychic energy.
Psychic energy, in psychoanalysis, is a hypothetic mental force, analogous to the physical concept of energy, which enables and vitalizes a person's psychological activity.

Oh, Alex, we can add motivating force and mental force to the list.

It is funny to see how much you are tied in your tight frame of thinking.
Life, mind, soul, feeling, love, hate: you can't see that they do have effects also on your world, which seems to exist exclusively in material matters, measurements and definitions. In your world, you are not able to measure and to trace back the largest energy which exists and which permeates all of space and tends to increase the rate of expansion of the universe. What is the force accelerating all those masses while gravitation should slow them down? You should be able to measure them, AlexS, because they are not minute. These forces are obvious. And you should be able to explain them. Otherwise, these accelerating forces do not exist. And this means, acc to your philosophy, this acceleration itself does not exist. Welcome back old times when the earth was still flat.

I wish, you could measure the driving force of love. The force which makes you forget the world around you and your beloved, this force which makes you as unreasonable as a human being can be.
Maybe in your rationality, you are not able to feel the effects of love? The force which drives you to ensure reproduction of our kind?


Measure hate. Hate exists, therefore it should be measurable.

The term force is not exclusively a term which applies to physics. You are blind to this simple fact. As blind as blind can be...

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The term force is not exclusively a term which applies to physics. You are blind to this simple fact. As blind as blind can be...

NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE THAT REFUSE TO SEE.

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Psychic force, in psychoanalysis, is the libidinous energy of the id. This is regarded as the
primary motivating force in the human personality. Also called psychic energy.

Freud's psychoanalysis is not science .

But one can easy measure libido . Wink


which seems to exist exclusively in material matters, measurements and definitions.

Science do not asks question if this material or not ( by the way what do mean when you say material ? ) , but measurements and definitions is what science about .


Measure hate. Hate exists, therefore it should be measurable.

As soon as I understand physiologists can measure hate , love et cetera , or at least they make attempts to measure them , and these attempts are successful .
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The holistic view of healing teaches that human beings are more than just the physical body and that emotions,thoughts,attidudes and spirituality play an essential role in healing. Rather than conform to the predominat medical view that there is one cause and one cure to disease, holism stresses that health and disease depend on a dynamic and often subtle interplay among the physical,emotional.mental and  spiritual aspects of our being, as well as our relationship to the environ­ment in which we live.

This is too shadow , is not it ?
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Freud's psychoanalysis is not science .

But one can easy measure libido . Wink
Most probably we're not here to discuss psychoanalysis.
 
To this just two quotes:
 
1. Some psychologists claim that psychoanalysis is good science, others that it is bad science, and still others that it is not science. Those who believe psychoanalysis is good science are perhaps the rarest group, and surprisingly not all psychoanalysts fall into this group. Rather, a fair number of psychoanalysts are willing to concede that psychoanlysis is not science, and that it was never meant to be science, but that it is rather more like a worldview that helps people see connections that they otherwise would miss.
 
2.    Current objections to psychoanalysis as untestable and unscientific ignore two facts. First, a large body of experimental evidence has tested psychoanalytic ideas, confirming some and not others. Second, psychoanalysis itself, while it does not usually use experimentation, does use holistic method. This is a procedure widely deployed in both the social sciences and the "hard" sciences. Recognizing the holistic nature of psychoanalytic ideas and therapy suggests some kinds of interpretation are more valid than others. It also shows that the debate whether psychoanalysis is a science or a hermeneutic, merely "literary," states the issue falsely. Recognizing the holistic nature of psychoanalytic ideas and therapy suggests some kinds of interpretation are more valid than others. It also shows that the debate whether psychoanalysis is a science or merely "literary," rests on a false dichotomy.
 
Can you please elaborate how you mwasure your libido in a scientific way? Have you based your Wink on this?
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/91/7/2509
 
Originally posted by AlexS

As soon as I understand physiologists can measure hate , love et cetera , or at least they make attempts to measure them , and these attempts are successful .
Confused
 
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To everyone engaged in the pseudo-debate here.
Alex is simply engaged in the dialectic of distraction.
None of the points made by us are discussed, but used to distract you from the real debate - the vital force and what it is.
This thread has descended into meaningless babble on dialectics and has nothing to do with anything that resembles even closely a scientific debate.
This is because Alex is not interested in gaining understanding but to engage everyone in what he thinks are clever remarks to invalidate anything anyone says. He wants everyone to stop doing what we do best - heal the sick, which is our sole and highest mission and which we have proven to do to great satisfaction for the last 200 plus years.
The best way to answer Alex is to not answer him at all and let him stew in his own broth and sort it all out by himself.
He thinks himself to be clever enough.
Let him prove it.

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  Quote sajjadakram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov. 09 at 01:03
Originally posted by Kaviraj

He thinks himself to be clever enough.
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Kaviraj
He is making fun and enjoying Smile.
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  Quote Humble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov. 09 at 01:06
You're right Kaviraj.
And since he is even pretty blind when it comes to talking about science, he should not be entertained.
He was not able to answer any question satisfactorily. Therefore I will also only proceed after he has reviewed the thread and done so.
 
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