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dr palu 
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 Topic: What is Vital ForcePosted: 15 Oct. 09 at 01:27 |
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I have some information regarding this intresting topic as a new book is published by Dr Nikam on Vital force. |
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Manish Bhatia
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Posted: 15 Oct. 09 at 01:51 |
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Dr. Palu,
Why don't you share that information with others here? Please enlighten everybody! |
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Manish Bhatia, BHMS (India)
www.doctorbhatia.com My love for homeopathy stems from the results that I see and not just from my belief in its theory. |
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Brisbanehomoeopath
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Posted: 15 Oct. 09 at 17:34 |
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I didn't realise that homoeopaths were asking this question? I am pretty sure that it was covered very adequately in my first year of training.
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David Kempson
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onyx
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Posted: 15 Oct. 09 at 23:36 |
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The question seems to be a advertisment teaser to a seminar posted in commercial forum
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scarface
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Posted: 16 Oct. 09 at 12:32 |
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I can share with you what I know about the "vital force". The vital force Hahnemann was talking about is nothing else but the force of energy of what people used to understand by the word "soul". Now they call it the "astral or etheric body". This body is the immortal, eternal body, light body and is made out of the etheric substances and it is the one which retains the mind, the memory, the thinking, the feelings and emotions, the senses and it is the intelligence and the divine spirit spark in its heart and this intelligent body is the one which controls all functions of the material body ! Nothing happens without the control of an intelligence anywhere, so in the body is the same : the body does not control himself, it is being rules and controled by the higher self. The sickness starts always in the etheric body and manifests itself afterwards in the material body. Homeopathic etheric substances go directly into the soul and restores what is missing or what is too much of that etheric substance. The healing of the body comes therefore from the power of the soul. The power of the soul it is the vital force. This is not a theory and it is not my idea, this is taken from a divine revelation. Believe it not not ...it is the pure truth and actually nothing new. The level of this power can be seen best in the power of good will, or wanting to heal, in spirituality, in the modesty, in belief or trust in god. If these are strong, the power of the soul is strong too and is good for healing. Smth. that homeopathy does unfortunatelly ignore (Hahnemann forgot to say it ?) and weakens the vital force is the orgasm or sex. This should be avoided more than coffee during healing to grant a fast and complete healing. I recommend all my patients complete abstinence and I have noticed that old people behind sex wishes and practices heal better and faster than young people who have often sex. This is no wonder: the healing is done by the soul and when it's vital force it is consumed by sex, then there is no power left for the soul to do the healing anymore. Homeopathy with abstinence can heal more than without. |
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dr palu
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Posted: 17 Oct. 09 at 05:48 |
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hi, I just wanted to tell u that "Vital Force is Oxygen " this is a book's name. & this book is first published in 64th LIGA congress, Poland by B.Jain publishers. and i will share some chapter with the permission of Dr Nikam Sir. |
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sajjadakram
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AlexS
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Posted: 18 Oct. 09 at 07:42 |
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In order to cure nobody need to know what is vital force is .
When Hahnemann and his disciples created homeopathy they intentionally created a sect. Thus Hahnemann introduced into Organon many shadow and unclear ideas. In some extend vital force can be compared то phlogiston. |
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scarface
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Posted: 18 Oct. 09 at 14:24 |
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The remedy itself does not cure anything. So it is VERY important to know what the vital force is, because this is what cures !!!! You dont accept what you dont understand from Hahnemann, so this is now "shadow und unclear ideas".. this is your own fault though. And will bring you to an wrong path. |
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AlexS
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Posted: 19 Oct. 09 at 08:16 |
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In order to properly prescribe remedy no one need to know shadow concept of vital force .
It is shadow because nobody understand what it is about and nobody can measure it and science begin with measurements . Hahnemann ( and other homeopaths ) introduced shadow and mystic concepts such as vital force in order to be able to run their business as smooth as possible . The situation is very similar to other alternative healing disciplines . Let take as an example chiropathy : Chiropractic was founded in the 1890s by Daniel David (D.D.) Palmer in Davenport, Iowa. Palmer, a magnetic healer, hypothesized that manual manipulation of the spine could cure disease. Chiropractic competed with its predecessor osteopathy, another medical system based on magnetic healing and bonesetting; both systems were founded by charismatic midwesterners in opposition to the conventional medicine of the day, and both postulated that manipulation improved health.[85] Although initially keeping chiropractic a family secret, in 1898 Palmer began teaching it to a few students at his new Palmer School of Chiropractic. One student, his son Bartlett Joshua (B.J.) Palmer, became committed to promoting chiropractic, took over the Palmer School in 1906, and rapidly expanded its enrollment.[7] Early chiropractors believed that all disease was caused by interruptions in the flow of innate intelligence, a vital nervous energy or life force that represented God's presence in man; chiropractic leaders often invoked religious imagery and moral traditions. D.D. and B.J. both seriously considered declaring chiropractic a religion, which might have provided legal protection under the U.S. constitution, but decided against it partly to avoid confusion with Christian Science.[7][86] Early chiropractors also tapped into the Populist movement, emphasizing craft, hard work, competition, and advertisement, aligning themselves with the common man against intellectuals and trusts, among which they included the American Medical Association (AMA).[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic nnate Intelligence is a chiropractic term to describe the organizing properties of living things. It was originally coined by Daniel David Palmer, the founder of chiropractic. This vitalistic concept states that all life contains Innate (inborn) Intelligence and that this force is responsible for the organization, maintenance and healing of the body. Historically, chiropractors believed that they removed the interference to the nervous system (by way of a spinal adjustment) and that when the spine is in correct alignment, Innate Intelligence can act, by way of the nervous system, to heal disease within the body. It was presented by early chiropractic leaders as a part of chiropractic philosophy, that life is a triune of intelligence, force, and matter. Modern chiropractors study these principles in college and these ideas are seen as historical references to early chiropractic philosophy and science. Chiropractors — in common with all other healthcare professionals — recognize that the body has intrinsic healing abilities. Describing this healing ability as an "Innate Intelligence" is unique to chiropractic. Because of this early metaphysical construct, the terminology of Innate Intelligence is considered potentially detrimental to the profession's development and reputation as it seeks acceptance in the greater scientific community. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor |
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Manish Bhatia
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Posted: 19 Oct. 09 at 08:44 |
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Alex, your belief that nobody needs to understand vital force is wrong. The whole concept of understanding the disease process and patient's reaction to the remedy in homeopathy, depends upon the understanding of the vital force. It could be a 'shadow concept' only to those who have never practiced homeopathy.
There is indeed some misinterpretation of Hahnemann's words in that many homeopaths relate it with the 'soul' or 'spirit'. This is also not right. Nearly every place where Hahnemann has described it, it is in relation with 'force', 'energy' or 'dynamis'. In most places, his use of word 'spiritual' relates to 'invisible' or 'dynamic'. If you can read Hahnemann's work keeping this in mind, you will realize how far ahead Hahnemann was (and still is!) from his times. Please put in more effort to understand the concept before labeling it as a shadow concept. |
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Manish Bhatia, BHMS (India)
www.doctorbhatia.com My love for homeopathy stems from the results that I see and not just from my belief in its theory. |
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AlexS
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Posted: 19 Oct. 09 at 08:52 |
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"The whole concept of understanding the disease process and patient's
reaction to the remedy in homeopathy, depends upon the understanding of
the vital force. It could be a 'shadow concept' only to those who have
never practiced homeopathy."
This sounds like religious teaching : "Nobody understand what god is unless this person believe in god." Could you give a simple definition what vital force is ?  "In most places, his use of word 'spiritual' relates to 'invisible' or 'dynamic'." And word dynamic refers to 'invisible' ? |
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Manish Bhatia
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Posted: 19 Oct. 09 at 09:53 |
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Twisting the words to suit your own purpose and creating unrelated meaningless analogies, will not make your skepticism sound better.
You are wearing blindfolds and you want me to show the light. What a joke! Sorry but I don't have time to waste with shallow skeptics. |
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Manish Bhatia, BHMS (India)
www.doctorbhatia.com My love for homeopathy stems from the results that I see and not just from my belief in its theory. |
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AlexS
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Posted: 19 Oct. 09 at 11:16 |
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I am no skeptic about homeopathy and certainly I am shallow skeptic.
I am trying to understand homeopathy from philosophical point of view. If every thing were clear in Organon there would not be too many comments to it. Many homeopaths made their entire carrier on commenting Organon. Dr Manish , you refusal to communicate with me on this issue says a lot. |
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Humble
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Posted: 20 Oct. 09 at 00:43 |
 Hello AlexS Not the believe in homeopathy makes a homeopath understand the modality, but sincere studies and the learned application of the teachings. The results confirm to us, what homeopathy can do. Well, a discussion on the vital force will be difficult, as long as quotes are used by authors who do not build on the original writings. Today, you see homeopathy being taught based on many 'believings' which are justified with new experiences. Just browse the many issues of the hpathy Ezine Homeipathy 4 Everyone'. This will not bring you closer to your answer. But if you carefully read about homeopathy using original material, then you will understand, what is meant by vital force. You'll see, it is notihng like gravity or van-der-Waals-forces.You need to see the expression 'vital force' in the correct context. Then you will understand what is expressed with this term. It is not about the term but about the effects which are being observed. Siegfried |
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AlexS
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Posted: 20 Oct. 09 at 05:20 |
These words are key-words . In true science it doesn't matter what is said in original writings : once scientific truth is established it begin to live by its own life . Homeopathy is a science in religious envelope - this was a Hahnemann wish , and this is why in 200 years since discovering of phenomenon of homeopathic remedies such little progress was done . |
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scarface
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Posted: 20 Oct. 09 at 06:10 |
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There is some common mistake that it is done very often in science: there is no force without a cause, there is no energy without a source. You cannot find a light without a source of light and no force without a source. Even electricity... Talking about whatsover force means to talk only about the effect but not about the source of that force. The vital force is the force of the soul, this is the real source as I said before. Hahnemann did not know everything and could not know everything, there are many things Hahnemann did not talked about and it would have been impossible for him to mention everything, even if he would have known about it. |
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Humble
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What is the scientific basis of this, hmmmmm, nonsense? Or what is the scientific basis which gives sense to this statement? Siegfried |
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AlexS
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Posted: 20 Oct. 09 at 07:25 |
One word often have many meanings . This is the situation in case of words force or energy. But in science new term introduced only after numerous discussions and when it introduced it is well defined . Some times discussion continue . See as an example : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences But in this example particular kinds of intelligences are quite well defined and measured. But in case of so called Vital Force situation is different. |
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AlexS
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Posted: 20 Oct. 09 at 07:27 |
Experience of humanity with different disciplines. |
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