What is Vital Force

In oder to practice anything you don't need to know everything; look at the medical system, they barely know something and they still practice. You are right ! Stay with what you are willing to understand !

Originally posted by Humble Experience alone doesn't necessarily contain quality. This answer doesn't add more sense to your previous statement. Do you want to try again AlexS? Maybe then you could be understood.

But numerous experiences by humanity do !

And by these experiences we can conclude that things should be made as simple as possible - principle of Occam razor.

Originally posted by AlexS But scientific theories operate only with measurable /observable qualities . Homeopathy is a practical discipline ,applied science and I think its theory could be built without any murky ideas like VF .

I think that the results of this discussion are not going to bring about some more insight. We're too much on the surface of things. Anyway, what you say about scientific theories is true to a certain degree.
In science, it is tried to digitalize life, which is simply not possible, because the equations have too many unknowns.
One way out is to select very small aspects and to research on them. The qualities of many small aspects are being measured and observed and many results are achieved. These results finally are not being regrouped together anymore. It is a pity, because then it would become obvious, that the final regrouping will not have anything to do with the living being which is investigated. And this is why conventional medicine doesn't provide the wanted results in general - in spite of so much research being done.

The empirical method and empirical knowledge is worth being looked at more than the applied sciences admit. This is what the results tell us.

By the way: Applied sciences - the term is a controversal one. Already Louis Pasteur said, that there are no applied sciences. There only are applications in science...
Siegfried

The vital force is different in different aphorisms of the Organon.

Alex wrote:
"But scientific theories operate only with measurable /observable qualities."

What Alex should learn is that the "immunesystem" is an equally unquantified concept and as vague as Hahnemann's vital force. The immunsystem cannot be quantified and measured either. Thus allopathy is as "religious" as he accuses Hahnemann of.

The system is not immune because it allows everything before it reacts. Thus is is as much a misnomer as the "vital force", if you like splitting hairs, which seems your favourite pastime on these forums.

I call the immunesytem the defence mechanism.

Here is my take on the matter and my translation of the relevant sections of the Organon.

9.        In the healthy state, the soul is autonomous and the defence mechanism keeps the entire body in harmonious and healthy condition. Both sensation and function operate optimally so that our reason can use this healthy body for the higher purpose of our existence.

10.    The material body is incapable of sensation, function or self-preservation without the presence of the soul. It derives all sensation and performs each function of life solely because of the immaterial being – the soul – animating the body in health and disease.

11.    When a person falls ill, it is only the defence system – which is active in all parts of the body – that is primarily deranged by the dynamic action of the morbid influence. Only the defence mechanism – deranged to abnormal functions – causes the disagreeable sensation we call disease. While being invisible, it can be known by its effects on the organism. Its changed functions become apparent by the feeling of disease. These limit themselves to those parts visible to the senses of the sufferer and doctor and show up as symptoms. There is no other way in which they can make themselves known.

12.    It is the morbidly affected defence mechanism alone that produces symptoms. The morbid phenomena express at the same time all the internal changes. Together they reveal the entire disease. The disappearance under treatment of all the morbid phenomena and alterations certainly affects and implies the recovered health of the entire mind, emotions and body.

For all the terms in bold, Hahnemann used the term vital force.

I differentiate them according to function - entirely scientific.

Regards to all,

Kaviraj.

Originally posted by Humble If you look at the sum of the textbooks a student in conventional medicine has to digest, and if you compare it with the 2 books which are the pure teachings in homeopathy, the Organon and CD: what is your impression? Where things can be more simplified? Siegfried

It is impossible to efficiently heal by Organon only - any good homeopath have a huge library and all those books are in use .

The structure of knowledge conventional  medicine is simply different - it is not like religion like homeopathy , so there is no Organon of conventional medicine , but it is possible to write one.

I am no doctor or a philosopher.What i know is that Science can not explain everything. What is the explanation of death...it is the absence of life in a living being, or to simply say it is the absence of vital force. The weight of a dead body is almost the same as when that person was alive but something has gone missing in that dead person!!!

if someone says he cannot see bacteria,if he cannot see viruses,,,its nonsense talking about them...its his problem....even Galileo was hanged to say Earth is round....

Originally posted by TruthSeeker I am no doctor or a philosopher.What i know is that Science can not explain everything. What is the explanation of death...it is the absence of life in a living being, or to simply say it is the absence of vital force. The weight of a dead body is almost the same as when that person was alive but something has gone missing in that dead person!!! Regards

You are definitely  right , but we are talking about science and not religion .

May be it is much more easy to say : person is dead , instead inventing some unmeasurable 'vital  force" ?

Alex wrote:
"we are talking about science and not religion ."

You are the only one who speaks religiously about religion all the time.

We, on the other hand, talk science all the time. Hahnemann speaks about it in the follwing terms:
2.        The highest ideal of cure is rapid, gentle and permanent restoration of health or removal and annihilation of the dis-ease in its whole extent, whether mental, emotional or phys-ical, in the shortest, most reliable and most harmless way and following easily understandable principles.

Let is see how allopathy fares in comparison and how scientific or religious it is.

Allopathy religiously vaccinates everyone, while it has been proven that their religiously applied vaccines do not protect and cause more death then any disease they are given against.
They religiously use MRI scans and radioactive dyes while it has been proven these are the cause of kidney failure and death.
They religiously use antibiotics - even for things that do not react to them such as colds and flue - while it has been proven those drugs are the real cause of Aids, with so far 25 million deaths.
They religiously avoid testing drugs for long term effects and present the flimsiest "evidence of their safety and effectiveness.
They religiously pursue the almighty dollar to the detriment of the patient and when pulled up religiously avoid taking responsibility.

The only religion discussed on this thread IS ALLOPATHY.
YET YOU RELIGIOUSLY DENY THEY ARE A RELIGION AND FALSELY CLAIM THAT HOMOEOPATHY IS RELIGION while knowing nothing about it. You have such an obsession with religion, i suggest you go see an allopathic psychiatrist.

Your stance on homoeopathy reminds me of a dog - if you can't eat it or hump it, you urinate on it and walk away.

Regards,
Kaviraj.

Ah Sigi, some people never learn. There is nothing right in the left brain and nothing left in the right brain.

They remind me that light is faster than sound. They seem bright, untill they begin to speak.
Regards,
Kaviraj.