What is Vital Force

Originally posted by AlexS Originally posted by Humble You'll see, it is notihng like gravity or van-der-Waals-forces.You need to see the expression 'vital force' in the correct context. Then you will understand what is expressed with this term. It is not about the term but about the effects which are being observed. Siegfried 1) Definitely it is not like a gravity or van-der-Waals-forces - it is not well defined at all !

  In short what you are saying is that something that is well-defined is something that has physical existence ?  Isn't such definitions nothing more than a definition of the effects than of the substance itself ?  How could a map of a terrain be the terrain itself ?  No matter how well you define "something" from its effects it is not that "something".

  Let's take gravitational force as an example. It is defined as the force of attraction between two masses. This force of attraction can of course be measured you would say but what you are actually measuring is not the force itself but the effects of the force itself.
The sad misconception here is that what is measurable is complete and therefore true and believable. We is important may not be measurable and what is measurable may not be important. We should not be enslaved by what is measurable.

2) It is not about the term but about the effects which are being observed. So , may be these effects can be interpreted without metaphysical idea of "vital force"? You see in order to practice homeopathy nobody need idea of vital force .

   When Hahnemann formulated his healing system he must have some deep penetrating insights of the various forces and dynamics that is happening in our body and within the material world of homoeopathic remedies. This is not unlike what the chinese or indians understood life through their conception of qi and prana.  Many had used these abstractions to help them understand the derangement and disharmony in the body. It is a useful mental tool eventhough it is not scientifically established.

   Today with our advances in instrumentations attempts had been made to measure the nature of qi in the lab. What they found rather surprised them. When a sound sensor was used they measured sound. When electric field senser was used they measured electric field and when magnetic field sensor was used they measured magnetic field. Similarly with heat sensor. It was as if the energy flowing out of a qi gung master's hand or a reiki healer's hand was "undifferentiated energy" very much like stem cells and it took on the form as was required of it by the external measuring instruments.

  Here is a link you could read something about :

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5110727/reiki-energy

   Vital force provided a necessary and important framework for homoeopaths to from.


   

 

  Let's take gravitational force as an example. It is defined as the force of attraction between two masses. This force of attraction can of course be measured you would say but what you are actually measuring is not the force itself but the effects of the force itself.
The sad misconception here is that what is measurable is complete and therefore true and believable. We is important may not be measurable and what is measurable may not be important.

When we define a new quantity in science we should tell how to measure it .
When we define new concept in science it should be defined nonambigously .




We should not be enslaved by what is measurable.

Then science turns to religion .



 
   
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Alex.
"It is very confusing "tool" which caused many arguments how to interpret it ."

You are the only one arguing constantly.
It is your sole and only reason for being on these forums.
Yet although you are the one to blame for starting the argument in the first place, like all the truly spineless, you blame others.

regards,
Kaviraj.

Alex, go ahead and quote in RUssian, I'll provide people a rough translation when I get a spare minute,

Originally posted by AlexS Originally posted by chiongguo    When Hahnemann formulated his healing system he must have some deep penetrating insights of the various forces and dynamics that is happening in our body and within the material world of homoeopathic remedies. This is not unlike what the chinese or indians understood life through their conception of qi and prana.  Many had used these abstractions to help them understand the derangement and disharmony in the body. It is a useful mental tool eventhough it is not scientifically established.      It is very confusing "tool" which caused many arguments how to interpret it .

Then I could only say that you know not what you are talking about. Thoughts need tangible objects to work with and as I said qi, prana and vital force provided such a mental tool and framework to understand disharmony and how it affects our health.

In contrary concept of miasm is essential , it is well defined  and measurable . But discussion about nature of miasms beyond the real of homeopathy.

You mean you could measure miasm ?  I don't quite know or understand. Please illuminate.

So Alex wants to refer us to Tyler's article "how not to do it"

Originally posted by AlexS Originally posted by sajjadakram [This is "damaging". sajjad.   Read Margaret Tyler , about her damaging practices .

Thanks to Elena I read what Margaret Tyler wrote.

Aiyoyo this AlexS is really turning logic on its head.

If you want to know what is damaging have a look at what modern, scientifically sound medicine has done :

http://www.yourmedicaldetective.com/public/335.cfm

This is a good example of tyranny of what is measurable.

Alex lives under the tyranny of conformation to what he thinks can be measured.

Originally posted by elena   (Well, this article basically says what Kaviraj is telling us all the time!)   Elena

I do not know and I want to know what K wrote - for long time I simply ignore his posts - I do not read them .


So you see I was right : if we take percent of patients who died or whose health was damaged as result of misuse of homeopathy we get quite high number.

Alex.

"I do not know and I want to know what K wrote - for long time I simply ignore his posts - I do not read them ."


You don't know and want to know and don't read. You ignore to your own peril, because it makes you ignorant.

Well, to solve all that, you could start reading them again.
But you avoid to read, because you know i have demolished your upside down arguments.

You simply cannot face the truth.

Regards,
Kaviraj.