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Topic: List of true Hahnemanian Homeopaths Posted: 01 Nov. 09 at 07:16 |
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Can anyone point me in the direction of an International /European list of Master Homeopaths who only follow true Hahnemanian prescribing please
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Posted: 01 Nov. 09 at 13:16 |
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I dunno if such a list exists, every homeopath has their own style of prescibing. What I'd do is call all the ones in your area and ask about their credentials/education, tell them a little about your case and ask if they've treated anything like it before and what the outcome was.
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I agree - I think you need to know what that is yourself, and question your practitioner to ascertain their adherence to such a method. Many homeopaths call themselves Hahnemannian - but rarely do they all agree on what that actually is.
I think a better way of choosing a practitioner (if that is what you are looking for) is to find people who have visited a homoeopath, and ask them about methods, results, manner, how accessible the homoeopath was, how open to questions he/she is, how many remedies they prescribe, how often they change prescriptions etc.
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Posted: 02 Nov. 09 at 16:27 |
Thanks David but
Been there Done that ................paid a fortune .........not got a solution
and in fact the last one I saw who came highly recomended caused hellish reactions and then said "nothing will help you "
I know enough about Homeopathy to know that I need a true Master of it
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Posted: 02 Nov. 09 at 16:45 |
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I don't know who would compile such a list, or how you would trust it unfortunately. Have these practitioners not been practicing according to Hahnemann's instructions, despite initially claiming that they do?
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Posted: 03 Nov. 09 at 03:16 |
Good Question David
The last one I saw even teaches in London but they never seemed to understand the problem /symptoms i get and from what i have understood since probably gave me a snake remedy that caused a nasty reaction
Hans Weibrecht would seem to be an option if i can travel to him but i cant contact him via this forum
Can you assist
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Posted: 03 Nov. 09 at 03:51 |
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True Hahnemannian is only trademark and everyone can put this tag on himself/herself.
As soon as I understand the most effective methods are Sankaran's methods .
May it is worth to try to reach homeopath who are student of Sankaran and who goes to his seminars in Mumbai every year.
With such homeopath case taking should be at least 2 hours or more.
Best wishes.
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Posted: 03 Nov. 09 at 06:26 |
I cannot criticise the length of case taking done previously
Its a total lack of understanding of the actual symptoms produced when i am affected by Aluminium or how they are described in what is essentially "old homeopathic language "
Aluminium poisoning /allergy /hypersensitivity would not have been a disease in Hahnemanians time
equally theres a lack of "peculiar symptoms"
Maybe something blocks the correct Rx
I dont know .........all i know is that currently i am totally trapped within a very restricted lifestyle and that severely affects other aspects of my life and my other half's desire to travel
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Posted: 03 Nov. 09 at 15:55 |
Are you saying there is a lack of peculiar symptoms in your case? That is a very rare situation, very advanced pathologies might show that (end stage cancers for instance) or very severe poisonings perhaps. In fact, I have never in my life seen a case without peculiars - the peculiars are the individual aspects of your own life force's reaction to the problem.
Even in your last sentence I can see some possible avenues for exploration - trapped, restricted for example. Straight away there is peculiarity. Perhaps a strict traditional Hahnemannian approach is actually not the best for you. I have had a number of clients respond well to using the newer Sensation method who had spent years without real success under the care of more traditional prescribers (who were quite capable of curing other patients by the way).
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Posted: 03 Nov. 09 at 17:16 |
Please enlighten me on the new "sensations " method
Quite where i would find someone who practises that in England I would also like to know
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Posted: 04 Nov. 09 at 01:26 |
The Vital Sensation method has been in development for many years, actually I make posts about it all the time here, including cases. How to put it into a nutshell.....
Perhaps it would be easier to quote from an great website by Ildiko a californian homoeopath:
"The key to the Sensation Method lies in the structure of the initial interview. When we conduct a homeopathic interview we take the client by the hand and walk them through their inner reality step by step, guiding them deeper into the levels of experience. The first level people usually start telling their story at is by naming their ailment. The next step is when they describe the symptoms in detail: conditions, how their ailment appears or improves, the location, the severity of those and other descriptions. One level deeper, people talk about feelings - the emotions these symptoms evoke or are born into. At this level people tend to take a broader route and relate their experience in more general terms from the emotional perspective. Most people have strong emotional reactions and are quite aware of them, so this is a level of experience people can talk freely about. One step beyond this is the level of images - the situations the person relates to. This is the first level that we do not tend to go to easily in casual conversation. It can be a stretch for many people to realize that underneath our emotional reactions there are fixed images that we unconsciously believe in. This is the layer people draw from when describing their situation in metaphors. Once this level is well described, we go further into the realm of sensations. At this level people relate to the physical sensation a certain image, dream or situation brings forth. This level correlates to the local sensations and brings out the global sensation that manifests everywhere in the person. Without reaching this level we cannot be sure of the core sensation that feeds the images, the emotions, the symptoms and the ailment the person is suffering from.
Flow of Interview There is no fixed pattern of case-taking, no set questions we need to ask our clients. Nevertheless, we want to touch upon all the Levels of Experience as discussed earlier. There is a natural flow that takes people through their story. In the beginning of the interview we ask about the nature of the complaint. Once that is described, we further question specific aspects of it. Nowadays, health care consumers are very well informed. With the widespread use of the Internet, information is just a click away. Consequently, people tend to know a great deal about their condition. However, this does not replace the actual symptoms one experiences. These symptoms are more personal than the average, general description of an illness. People can go into minute details about their pains and discomforts. This is important terrain for the homeopath, who can then dive deeper into even more personal experience of these symptoms. This is the starting points from which people then usually describe their emotional circumstances of their complaints. Once they are talking about the emotions it is just one step further to understand their beliefs that those emotions are based on.
This is a depth which typical conversation seldom reaches. It’s the level at which we need to encourage our patients to go ahead and describe their inner reality, however absurd or unreasonable it might sound. For some, it is as senseless as dreams. It has vague relation to reality but they are not sure what the connection is. They do not act as predictably as they usually do in their waking life. Indeed, at this level people talk about their dreams, pictures, images of their daydreams, the goals they want to achieve, hobbies they enjoy, favorite movies, books, stories and heroes. Once a person is talking about these things they experience certain sensations. There is a reason we feel good at the sight of an awe-inspiring piece of art or scenery. There is a reason we engage in a particular sport or activity. Once we can tackle that sensation the activity brings up, we are in a very different realm than describing symptoms of a disease. In this realm we can navigate through with ease; there are no norms we have to comply with. At this level it is also easy to name the sensation and the opposite of it, which brings on unpleasant associations. Often two polarities can be elicited here, and that can secure our understanding of the vital sensation. We arrive at the root of the problem, the key to healing. "
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By the way, I am not implying that you need to do homoeopathy this way, just that perhaps a change in the way you have been doing it is necessary.
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Posted: 04 Nov. 09 at 11:09 |
Originally posted by Brisbanehomoeopath
Perhaps a strict traditional Hahnemannian approach is actually not the best for you. I have had a number of clients respond well to using the newer Sensation method who had spent years without real success under the care of more traditional prescribers (who were quite capable of curing other patients by the way). |
The above statement is grossly misleading. If the patients had spent years in treatment without any real success, it was most likely due to the physicians than the art they profess to practice. This is advocating an approach based on flimsy grounds through baseless statements. Please understand that POP theories keep appearing but they can never replace the original. Regards Niel
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Posted: 04 Nov. 09 at 13:14 |
I agree Niel
Question is .............is it possible to treat a Chronic case by email or is a face to face consult vital
There is no question of the patient being deluded as to their true character or unable to minutely describe or pinpoint the nature and area of their symptoms
Equally the patient does not hide behind a veil ,,,,,,,,,what you see or read is exactly what you get
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My statement is not misleading, it is honest experience. Using the Vital Sensation method has produced excellent results in patients who had tried traditional homoeopathic methods for years...some of these patients had been visiting homoeopaths for 20 years or more. I have given many cases here on this forum as proof. My opinion is not baseless and I have made enormous effort to show how it works. Other trained and experienced homoeopaths on this forum have had the same experience.
Vital Sensation is well established, based on Hahnemannina principles,has been proven repeatedly in clincal situations (sometthing that my previous students and colleagues here in Australia have experienced), is very well documented and has been adopted by some of the most well-known practitioners in the world.
Hardly the characteristics of something 'baseless' and 'flimsy'.
Vital Sensation does not replace the Hahnemannian method, it expands and builds upon it.
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Posted: 04 Nov. 09 at 21:32 |
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@Ifonly... Treatment of Chronic diseases is best accomplished in a Clinical Setting. But there are a few homeopaths who have had a fair degree of success with online prescription as well. But such physicians are far and few.
@Brisbanehomeopath... Just as your experience tells you the efficacy of so-called 'Sensation Method', my own experience spanning over two decades has left me with no doubt to the efficacy of classical methods. To say that a particular case will probably not respond to Classical Methods is patently wrong and saying so you are definitely misleading the patient.
Regards Niel
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And yet, there are patients who will say that. But of course what they mean, is that the right remedy was not found for them.
And you are correct in what you say, since Vital Sensation and Classical Method are not really seperate methods at all, but one is an extension of the other. Therefore all cases respond to that method, but can the practitioner go deeply enough or choose a remedy with enough precision - that is the real question.
Those patients that I have seen who complained of not being cured by otherwise reputable homoeopaths, mostly needed remedies from outside the more commonly prescribed polycrest group. It was easy enough following the reasoning of the homoeopaths who had treated previously - you could see the strands of their logic throughout the case. A person may have needed Black Mamba, but only been prescribed remedies such as Naja or Lach. Or they may have needed Mangifera, but been prescribed Rhus-tox. Or they may have been given Nat-mur, Nat-carb, but actually needed Nat-fluor. That list goes on - Hydrogen, Piper-meth, Falco-pe, Codeine, Ammonium-brom, Ammonium-phos - those off the top of my head from cured cases.
Following the more traditional approach, how easily can such remedies be found? If a patient needs Nautilus over Sepia, Oyster over Conch, Lac-leo over Lac-can - how will you be lead to them via the older method? I certainly would not have been able to prescribe most of them with confidence, if at all.
All homeopaths have their failures, all methods fail some patients - every method can stand to be improved upon. I have practiced classical methods for 16 years now - I certainly had my successes using what I had access to before Sankaran,Scholten,Morrison and Vermeulen amongst many others - I just have more of them now. You will hear homoeopaths all over the world saying this. Understanding the patient, to the depth that Vital Sensation allows, gives you the ability to choose remedies with a greater level of precision than before - allows you to see the fine difference between substances.
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Posted: 05 Nov. 09 at 19:02 |
Question is .............is it possible to treat a Chronic case by email or is a face to face consult vital
There is no question of the patient being deluded as to their true character or unable to minutely describe or pinpoint the nature and area of their symptoms
Equally the patient does not hide behind a veil ,,,,,,,,,what you see or read is exactly what you get
My reply;
In my oppinion Face to face is vital,There are many symptoms not noted by the practicioner if the case is done on the phone or a paper case.
A practicioner cannot note;
smells,gestures/nervous habits/ticks/irritation to sounds in the office/wandering attention/subtle tearing/grins.
Besides not being able to note the patients;
nails-miasmic imprints
tongue-all parts of the tongue related to physical organ imbalances
skin-markings-blemishes-rash-discolorations-etc
iris-iridology-markings manifest predisposed disease
reflexology-feet+hands-directly relates to imbalances
and temp of the patient (hot/cold?) the patient might indicate something different all together.
In my oppinion Specially with Verry complex chronic cases,face to face is the only option.
Follow up appt. with that same patient can be done via skype/phone/email.
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Posted: 06 Nov. 09 at 09:47 |
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Clearly your initial face to face goes somewhatbeyond what most homeopaths i have experienced do
I think also that a patients like me is different depending on how they are on the day
I guess when i do manage to find one like yourself or Brisbane homeopath i need to deliberately make myself ill for the appointment
This of course is the one thing i strive not to do because i rigidly avoid any contact with Aluminium for obvious reasons
Brisbane homeopath could you expand on the differences between Nautilus and Sepia please
The one Homeopath who has done their best to help me via e mail rather suspects that one of the "newer /unusual " remedies may be needed in my case .............on the face of things Sepia is a match but response is either slow /blocked or partial
I cant find anyone near me who has the experience or skills to solve the problem hence my search
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Posted: 06 Nov. 09 at 15:46 |
Hans Weibrecht would seem to be an option if i can travel to him but i cant contact him via this forum
Can you assist
Yes. Go to. http://homeopathyworldcommunity.com/profile/HansWeitbrecht?xg_source=profiles_friendList
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