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mizzleelee80
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Topic: H1N1 Vaccine-- Why so bad? Posted: 04 Nov. 09 at 18:10 |
I am a public health worker who will be staffing some of our H1N1 vaccination clinics. They recommend that we get them, too. (Of course, it's not mandatory that we get one.) I am basically on the fence about it.
Anyway, I wrote to my homeopathist and asked her if it was okay for me to get the vaccine. She wrote back in huge letters telling me NOT to get the vaccine and that we could discuss it at our next visit in two weeks. (She doesn't seem to like discussing these things over email or over the phone). But now I want to know why. Why would it be so bad? I guess I'm just amused by her response, because after 5 months with her, I have not gotten any better. Would the vaccine interfere with any future remedies she might prescribe me, preventing any success that it would have?
I'm just curious.....thanks in advance for any replies to this post
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Posted: 04 Nov. 09 at 23:45 |
I'm guessing you haven't read all the posts on all the vaccine related threads here at Hpathy, otherwise you wouldn't have asked this question!  Fair enough, you probably felt inundated by all the information, but I certainly would recommend that you read a few articles at least! And it's not just a question of whether the vaccine is going to interfere with your homoeopathic treatment, there are major health issues here! Here is one very relevant article about vaccines in general and their role in chronic diseases. Many different vaccines and their 'effects' are discussed in a scientific manner. http://www.hpathy.com/papersnew/moskowitz-vaccines-chronic-diseases.asp
Since your query is particularly for the H1N1 vaccine, you should read the thread on Dangers of New Swine Flu H1N1 vaccine, particularly Gina Tyler's long post on Page 3.. http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?FID=2&TID=10087&PN=3Some more articles that might interest you... http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/01/Swine-Flu-Shot-Linked-to-Killer-Nerve-Disease.aspxhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.htmlhttp://www.naturalnews.com/027258_vaccines_flu_vaccine.htmlHope you can see why the vaccine is being resisted! Good luck!
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mizzleelee80
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Posted: 05 Nov. 09 at 04:01 |
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Thank you for this information.....I read some of the posts on the General forum today, but it was a bit too scientific and over my head....LOL. It's just hard when you're in a line of work where your job is to promote getting the vaccine, but in my case, I'm seeing a homeopathic doctor, so I want to take her advice when it comes to things like not getting the vaccine. More than anything, I wished that she would've emailed me some information or suggested that I call her about it instead of telling me to wait for two more weeks to discuss it at our next visit. But now it's great to have some information.....thanks!
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Posted: 05 Nov. 09 at 07:21 |
Here's something about flu shots you can just watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM
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Posted: 05 Nov. 09 at 18:26 |
20 posts - 9 authors - Last post: Aug 18 see link for more info www.pandemicfluonline.com swinefluvaccine awareness how to protect your self... www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=10087 |
18 posts - 9 authors - Last post: Oct 9 respected friend im a b------------Moderator: Please repost as your post either hasn't come... www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=10087...3 |
20 posts - 7 authors Murthy, What complicates the issue is that people who can't tolerate the vaccine may be forced... www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=10087...2 |
1 post - 1 author Q. Is swine flu vaccine effective as a preventative of swine flu? (poll answers: Yes - 240 respondents, No - 395 respondents, Don't know - 397 respondents) ...www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=10439 |
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Nov 15, 2008 ... They had a "swine flu" vaccine which suspicious pig raisers had refused to touch, fearful it might wipe out their crop. ... www.hpathy.com/library/Natural-Immunity-chapter6.asp |
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Hi All,Great info, thanks for providing such info as well keep sharing, as i thought sharing is one... www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=10087... |
20 posts - 9 authors - Last post: Apr 28 However, several hundred people developed crippling Guillain-Barré Syndrome after they were injected with the swine flu vaccine. ...www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=9520 |
20 posts - 6 authors - Last post: Aug 6 The straw that broke the camel's back (A saying in the US) is all this nonsense about the new swine flu vaccine out in sept/oct. ...www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=9520&PN... |
6 posts - 2 authors Study history in the shape of the Swine flu vaccine and you would run a mile from this latest version of a long running poison. Every year the Pharma shill, ...www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=8632 |
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Latest Information about Swine flu in humans, Swine influenza news about the pandemic, symptoms of swine flu, influenza vaccine and treatment including ... www.hpathy.com/diseases/Swine-flu-symptoms-treatment.asp |
All you need to do is go to the searchbox at Hpathy and type: swine flu vaccine,plenty of info has been discussed on this subject.
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mizzleelee80
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Posted: 06 Nov. 09 at 02:06 |
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Thanks for all the information, all!
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Posted: 06 Nov. 09 at 21:12 |
Again, to educate people - this must be viewed. For you to believe or not, I leave that up to you.
A must watch video on the swine flue. Finnish minister of health speaks
out against the make believe pandemic. It is only 6 minutes but
very powerful. For those involved in health activism, I suggest saving
this or at least watching it before it gets pulled off the internet. Good chance of that happening. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTgyakGAddM
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Posted: 06 Nov. 09 at 21:41 |
Thanks Carole Good videoclip  .
A must see for all who truly care about humanity.
I find it odd that healthcare workers blindly vaccinate everyone without
doing some research first.
To think that you have the power to stop all this?
Most just dont care..........
Blind leading the blind-
all goes back to the corruption of allopathics
see the link i posted
NO VACCINE IS A SAFE VACCINE 
VACCINES ARE THE GENOCIDE OF MODERN MEDICINE 
Ring a Bell anyone?
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mizzleelee80
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Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 13:27 |
Thank you for sharing this information; I am definitely NOT getting the vaccine and have a much better understanding of where you all are coming from.
At the same time, I am a public health worker who is currently helping to staff our H1N1 vaccination clinics in Los Angeles County. This is a huge task, as LA County is bigger than 42 states. As I mentioned before, it is difficult to be in this line of work where we are encouraging people to get the vaccine, and yet I know so many negative things about it.
That's what I call the "Spice of Life"! I may not agree with every viewpoint that the profession of homeopathy has, and I don't necessarily agree with everything that the field of public health advocates, either. It really comes down to me having to weigh the evidence myself and be my own advocate. Information is always good, and there's always evidence for and against any topic.
Thanks again.....
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Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 13:30 |
I turned down many jobs in clinics because I dealt with the same issue you are speaking of here...................................
You posted:"..................and there's always evidence for and against any topic. ..."
My reply:
No vaccine is a Safe Vaccine it is that simple and that Black and white
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Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 13:42 |
I don't believe that anything is Black or White. There are numerous shades of gray that we are constantly having to consider. At the same time, I admire your decision to avoid jobs at clinics because of your belief that vaccines are bad.
As a patient of homeopathy, I am new to all of this and learning day by day. At the same time, the field of public health does many good things for people that often do not get recognized in a treatment-focused society. And for as much as there are bad stories about public health, there are good stories too. That's why I don't believe in black and white thinking-- even when it comes to vaccines.
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Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 15:48 |
Dear Mizz,thanks for your reply,sorry i disagree with you.
[Allopathy is the leading cause of death, 783,936 every year in the USA
You might want to do some soul searching after you read these links.
I have hundreds more
let me know if you are still convinced modern Allopathic medicine has its bennefits
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mizzleelee80
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Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 16:08 |
Thank you for the links. I will definitely do some soul searching. I will not get into a discussion about the benefits or evils of allopathic medicine, however.
I have not had a positive experience with either of the homeopaths that I've gone too-- perhaps when I have experienced the benefits of homeopathy more clearly, I will feel differently. I have not given up hope, however. You are free to disagree with me, but I can't guarantee that I'm going to side with your way of thinking completely. As I said, I believe in shades of gray, not black and white, when it comes to thinking. As human beings we are not black or white-- we are all unique and different, and I believe that how we respond and react to things reflects this as well.
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Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 16:34 |
Dear Mizz
Yes You are correct WE ALL HAVE A FREE WILL TO DO AS WE LIKE---------------------------
More things to think about while your thinking about the safety of vaccines:
The 'vaccines are effective' lie Lies
"The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective" ---Dr. Len Horowitz
[The only effective thing about vaccines is their remarkable ability to cause diseases. If you study the real statistics, or the graphs, you will find no evidence that vaccination eliminated any disease or reduced the death rate for any disease. If you start with smallpox you will find the truth shocking. With measles, one of the later vaccines, the death rate had declined by 99.4% before vaccination! Same story of useless and dangerous vaccines---with Diptheria (check out the first 40 years of Diptheria vaccination as recorded by Beddow Bayly), TB, measles, mumps, polio, rubella, tetanus, flu, pertussis/whooping cough (especially the highly toxic vaccines) There may be some evidence of vaccination suppressing measles incidence but this is a bad thing. Vaccinated children still get the so called 'vaccine-preventable' diseases. The only effective protection against germs is nutrition/diet, naturopathy & homeopathy, and by avoiding poisons such as junk food, as some of these quotes point out: Infections & poisons, Infection & nutrition, Germ theory hoax.]
"We are taught by the authorities that vaccines protect us against eventual aggressive viruses and microbes, and, therefore, prevent contagious illnesses and epidemics. This lie has been perpetuated for 150 years despite the INEFFECTIVENESS of vaccines in protecting against illnesses...the USELESSNESS of certain vaccines, notably, TB & Tetanus..Diptheria....Influenza and hepatitis B."----Guylaine Lanctot, M.D.
"The decline in infectious diseases in developed countries had nothing to do with vaccinations, but with the decline in poverty and hunger (Dr. Buchwald draws the Committee’s attention to a series of about 50 graphs in his book which show that vaccinations have no effect on the decline of infectious diseases).--Dr Buchwald, M.D.
"Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles occured before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics."---Dr Archie Kalokerinos, M.D.
"According to the records of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, from 1911 to 1935 the four leading causes of childhood deaths from infectious diseases in the U.S.A. were diptheria, pertussis, scarlet fever, and measles. However, by 1945 the combined death rates from these causes had declined by 95% before the implementation of mass vaccine programs."--Dr Buttram MD
"All infectious diseases decreased without vaccinations. Not only did vaccines have no influence over the decrease of the diseases, the contrary is true, they slowed down the downward trend of all diseases. The best example for this is polio. After the majority of people were vaccinated, severe epidemics occurred, such as in 1962 in the German speaking countries, after vaccination had been in full force for 3 years. Dr Buchwald carefully collected the facts in his book, which prove this fact beyond doubt for all infectious diseases38."----Anita Petek-Dimmer
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Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 21:50 |
To all readers of hpathy
Regards the issue of vaccine safety;
The pro-vaccination side is all that is offered in the media, schools, doctor’s offices, PHS, and all government publications propaganda manipulated by the media,like some cult.
This is a biased one-sided view of vaccinations based much on manufacturer’s studies and writings.
The other side is rarely discussed  and adverse events after vaccination are dismissed as a one-in-a-million chance which is a necessary risk we all have to take.  This is far from the truth.
The truth is that the risks are far greater than they are telling us.
Extreme pressures are placed on parents for not signing permission and accepting all responsibility for the toxic vaccines.
for all the laws for each state,parents have rights to opt out!!!!!!!
Doctors cannot guarantee the safety of vaccines or that they will even work.
Many vaccinations fail to achieve their intended level of immunity and many cause horrible complications (including death)  which one will have to suffer for the rest of their life.
see the personal stories writen by parents with vaccine damaged children.
The trade-off is not wroth the risk. 
Mumps and measles are innocuous childhood diseases, but the vaccines have caused cancer, diabetes, brain damage, leukemia, autism, and even death (SIDS).
This information is to provide a balance against the pro-vaccination literature which is easily available.
Anti-vaccination philosophies are sometimes difficult to find and anti-vaccinationists are called names  in an attempt to discredit their reasoning.
One must concede that both sides are biased in their views, however skewed.
Truth is what is needed and that seems to be lacking in the pro-vaccination literature.
If vaccines were good for us, there would be no reason for dishonesty and deceit. If  vaccines were safe and effective there would be no issue here.Why are vaccine manuf. protected by law,right now a new bill has been passed by congress,no one can bring these monsters to court for damaging their children.If they are so safe.....why is there protection?
Anti-vaccination literature only wants to support the truth and honestly tell the facts as they really are. Only by becoming educated in this very important issue can one make an informed decision. Yet, every day parents are asked to roll up Johnny’s sleeve with very little consideration as to what their permission is for. Few people realize that vaccines are grown on monkey kidneys, mice brains and chicken embryos.Vaccines are made from human fetus,Abortion issues come into play.The hipocracy of being Pro life-"ANTI ABORTION" yet your OK with getting a vaccine?
Few people realize the dire consequences of injecting foreign animal tissues (DNA/RNA) and the auto-immune reactions they can induce. Few people realize that vaccines are immune depressing and may cause cancers, leukemias and even have been linked to AIDS. 
Only by keeping people in the dark (ignorant to the ill-effects of vaccinations) can vaccination profit-levels be kept high.
Parents are purposefully not given the facts concerning vaccines, or they are given altered data and only the glossy side of the pro-vaccine issues. A one-sided view is delivered to parents who are not being educated or informed, but it favors vaccinations! Ignorance may be bliss, but not in vaccination issues, where death and severe damage may ensue.
Many people do not even know (nor are they told) that vaccines are grown on animal organs and contain foreign DNA/RNA of those animals.
Vaccinations are blood products and hazardous to our immune system.
The medical literature is full of citations linking vaccines to many diseases, both causally (cause-associated) and temporally (time-associated).
Yet, people erroneously assume that because vaccines are mandated by law that the government is verifying to their safety and effectiveness.
Nothing can be further from the truth,  since the government relies on the data from the manufacturers for the vaccine safety studies and coaxes to their research for vaccine effectiveness. 
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