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    Posted: 06 Nov. 09 at 07:13

 

Since it now appears that both ferrets and one cat have contracted (what is believed to be) the H1N1 flu from sick human family members,

http://oregonvma.org/news/h1n1

 

 I’m looking for some flu prevention advice for these animals should someone in their household become sick with the flu.

 

Many of my friends and family and I have Influenzinum 200C on hand for prevention should we become exposed or begin to develop symptoms.  And in most cases, this is the ONLY remedy my not-so-homoepathically-literate friends have.  Smile

 

Though this is a higher potency than I would like to use for an animal (generally speaking), couldn’t a very small watery dose of the Influenzinum 200C be safely used for cats, ferrets, and pigs?  How about birds?

 

Thanks for any advice.

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  Quote edebeukelaer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov. 09 at 02:40
I wish we could give you an answer based on good evidence and research. One sure way (or as sure as one can be) of using homeopathically prepared medicines to prevent a disease (epidemic) is to prescribe the genus epidemicus (or one of them). There is some good evidence for the effectiveness of this system in the past and present. When you use Influenzinum you are not using homeopathy but isotherapy. Isotherapy is a helpful technique but its effectiveness in preventing disease (epidemic) is less clear. Some will come out and tell stories about how good it worked for them, many other say nothing when it did not work for them at all. Where influenzinum may have an indiciation for use at the firsts signs of flu-like illness (to attenuate the disease?) this does not mean that it would be an effective preventative. Having tested this approach a little myself, it did fail everytime.
On the question of dilution, if you dilute one drop of the watery solution into a bottle of water and only give one succussion, it should not caus too much of a stirr to the animals. You can also attenuate further by applying the solution on a cotton butt and passing under the nose once.
In general though, what I would like to say is that if there is a reason to think we may aggravate an individual by giving a homeopathically prepared remedy maybe we are doing something wrong: did Hahnemann not base his findings on homeopathy by looking for a type of medicine that would not have side effects...?
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Edward, thanks for the suggestion of further dilution in another cup or bottle of water – basically a type of split-dose dilution.  I hadn’t thought of that.

 

In this situation, it is likely that the genus epidemicus won’t be known.  And even if it were known, most people won’t have that remedy or ready access to it.

 

I’m not so concerned about whether or not Influenzinum will prevent illness altogether, but rather if it will attenuate or reduce in intensity any flu that does occur.  Though the idea of causing possible aggravation to a person or an animal is certainly an unsavory prospect, it is also likely that a family dealing with the flu is unlikely to pay much attention to the family cat until the animal needs prompt veterinary care.  At that point, the cat will be subjected to any number of orthodox treatments, none of which would win Hahnemann’s approval.  Wink   I’d rather see a homeopathic aggravation than an allopathic one.

 

You said:

Where influenzinum may have an indiciation for use at the firsts signs of flu-like illness (to attenuate the disease?) this does not mean that it would be an effective preventative. Having tested this approach a little myself, it did fail everytime.”

 

I’m not sure what you mean.  Are you saying that Influenzinum failed to prevent illness even though it worked once symptoms developed?

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Dear Truthfinder,

I am having some success with both prevention and advice on treatment of H1N1 in people and cats locally (which is Spokane - a hot spot for H1N1 where it is rife among university students, affecting several thousand confirmed cases and spreading to their families)  and this includes an affected family (2 human cases of H1N1 confirmed there) whose 2 cats got H1N1 symptoms and have come right now.

The best preventive remedy is Aconitum Napellus 200C - in aqueous dosing. (1 tablet/globule in 3/4 cup water, succussed 100 times and dosed 0.5 ml for a cat, or  5 ml for a human) . How often to dose it preventively is not a sure thing:
 I am using it myself weekly as I am not often exposed, but I add a dose any day that is stressful such as yesterday when I lost my cat after 17 years.
    My university student friend (who helped me with getting symptoms of H1N1 first hand from confirmed cases - plus two cases of small children) LIVES with other students who are infected, and she is taking a dose per day unless she feels confident not to need it that day. 
     So far 3 weeks and no infection for her or the other dozen or so students using Aco 200C preventively in her study area (making prosthetics). So the prosthetics lab is one of the few where there are only a handful of sick people - and they are sick from the vaccine only  - much sicker than anyone with H1N1 flu. Students with H1N1 do not feel g reat but they attend class as usual, and get well AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT TAKE ASPIRIN OR TYLENOL. The upper case is intentional. That is what makes the virus attack the lungs, cause pleural effusion and lung scarring, and can lead to death.

The two cat cases in the family with H1N1, wre not confirmed by CDC as H1n1, but the symptoms are very clearly not cat flu of any other kind and do make sense for H1N1:
* High fever (helped with Ferrum phosphoricum 200C, aqueous every 5 mins for 5 to 10 doses till the fever STARTS to abate. Repeat if fever returns. This gives the body oxygen to handle the fever better without suppressing the problem and chasing it to the lungs. Fever was 103 to 105 F. This is high for a cat, as usually only FIP goes that high.
* Coughing with severe loss of breath (due to pleural effusion). 
The only other coughing illness in cats is Bordetella bronchiseptica (BB) which has a different style of cough (BB cough is RARE and often absent, a hacking cough looking like a hairball attempt, but without any loss of ability to breathe), and has no pleural effusion but involves diffuse intracellular infection. 
This cough was different and new in type for a cat. 
* Nausea and vomiting.

The remedy for the H1N1 symptoms is Ipecac. This I am advising in Fibonacci series of potencies (8C made from 6C, then 13C, 21C, 34C, 55C, 89C, 144C, 233C) starting 8C, and progressing till the illness is overcome plus onje more potency for resistance building. Two students were too sick to wait for 6C order and started 30C, then went to 34C, then 55C, etc. They got well but took longer.
   The two cats responded in 3 to 5 days on F series..

Aconitum alone will handle both prevention AND early symptoms as it is a pretty close match to symptoms overall.  Ipecac is good to add once nausea or cramps or vomiting - gastro-intestinal issues - set in.

Poptency advised is as above.
There is a myth going around that animals or birds need different potencies from people. That is not true. But the dose SIZE is different.
So for examplke I'd dose a small bird with one drop only, a cat with ten drops (half a ml) a human with a teaspoon and an elephant wihit a tablespoon.
I ALWAYS use aqueous dosing.

With F potencies:
When you make them from whatever low enough potency you can find, you dilute 1 in 100 for each dilution and succuss TEN (not 100) times, per dilution.

Be aware that the F potencies work at least twice as fast as regular C potencies, and that each multiplies by the prior one,  so the strength of each is more than that of a regular C series. (For example if you dose 8C, then 13C, you are getting the effect of 8x13= 104C and so on.)
 Be sure to watch for improvement and STOP dosing then or you will see aggravation pretty sharply. you can always start dosing again IF symptoms return - and again later once extra for resistance building. It is VERY important to do the resistance building with H1N1 after curing it as it DOES otherwise have a tendency to return worse than before.

I hope this is helpful.

For homeopaths reading this, here are the rubrics I put together from H1N1 cases. Do NOT see this as a repertorization!!!  It is a list of H1N1 rubrics combining small child and pregnant woman (the two highest risk groups as they need more oxygen than others, and are growing faster) factors:

MIND - FEAR - suffocation, of - night
MIND - INDUSTRIOUS
MIND - NIBBLE; desire to
MIND - RESTLESSNESS - busy
THROAT - INFLAMMATION - accompanied by - cough
THROAT - PAIN - burning
THROAT - PAIN - raw; as if
STOMACH - VOMITING - violent
RESPIRATION - DIFFICULT - accompanied by - cough
RESPIRATION - DIFFICULT - children; in
RESPIRATION - DIFFICULT - pregnancy agg.; during
COUGH - PREGNANCY agg.; during
COUGH - SUFFOCATIVE
COUGH - SUFFOCATIVE - children; in - stiff and blue in the face; child becomes
CHEST - EMPYEMA - pleura; after inflammation of
CHEST - GRANULOMA lungs
CHEST - INFLAMMATION - Pleura
CHEST - INFLAMMATION - Pleura - acute
CHEST - INFLAMMATION - Pleura - exudative
FEVER - ACCOMPANIED BY - Stomach; complaints of
FEVER - BURNING heat

If you folllow these up in various specific case repertorizations, you will see the following:
* Aconitum napellus is the hands down winner for prevention, covering the common symptoms AND the pleural effusion complication caused when aspirin etc is used.
* Ipecac is the most useful general genus epidemicus during H1N1 infection without complications, especially for children.
* For pregnant women Nux-v and Puls are better than Ipec if complcations occur.
* Where pleural effusion complication is present consider Nux-v.

Ipecac covers these typical symptoms:
MIND - FEAR - suffocation, of - night
MIND - INDUSTRIOUS
MIND - NIBBLE; desire to
MIND - RESTLESSNESS - busy
THROAT - INFLAMMATION - accompanied by - cough
THROAT - PAIN - burning
THROAT - PAIN - raw; as if
STOMACH - VOMITING - violent
RESPIRATION - DIFFICULT - accompanied by - cough
RESPIRATION - DIFFICULT - children; in
COUGH - PREGNANCY agg.; during
COUGH - SUFFOCATIVE
COUGH - SUFFOCATIVE - children; in - stiff and blue in the face; child becomes
FEVER - ACCOMPANIED BY - Stomach; complaints of
FEVER - BURNING heat


Note:
Gels is a good remedy for MOST types of flu (including seasonal) and is similar to Influenzinum. BUT _ This H1N1 is very different. People go to school, go to work, want to get things done despite feeling awful, and CAN do so.  Hence the mind sx above.
    Gels by contrast does not match H1N1. Gels covers a dreary, dopey, drowsy, depressed state where the person has chills up the spine and wants to be in bed as they ache too much to move. Does not fit here. 
  
So bottom line - I suggest Aconitum napellus 200C preventively and Ipecac curatively, with Nux-v optionally in some complications.

Hope this helps.
Namaste,
  Irene de Villiers 
(principal, IVYHOM International Veterinary Homeopathy School) 

REFS:
F series: see HPathy magazine Dr J Rozencwajg author, Oct 2008 & Sept 2009.
Rubrics: Radar software version 9.1 
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Thanks very much for taking time to explain all this, Irene.  I have been following your posts over on one of the Yahoo groups but it is very helpful to have it all together here in one place.  I know it takes time to put information like this together, so thank you for that.

 

Good to know that potencies for animals are no different than for animals and birds!  I confess that out of necessity, I’ve used the same potency on a pet that I’d taken myself a few times and it worked just fine.  The only thing I did differently was reduce the size of the dose.

 

Sounds like those Fibonacci series remedies are a big hit!  Thanks for putting them to the test.  I’m sure Dr. Roz is thrilled to see them put to good use here in the USA. Wink

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Oh, Irene.....  I'm very sorry to hear you lost your feline friend.  Seventeen years is a long time.   And thank goodness for the passage of Time, which does tend to heal wounds from losing our beloved friends.
 
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Thank you for your kind thoughts on the loss of my social butterfly kitty, Frigga.

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I'm sorry to hear about your loss, Irene, I'm sure she must have loved you to get so old with you !
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