Today almost 1400 days are passed since the lauch of hpathy discussion forum. No set crtieria is announced at forum.

What is eligibility to become member for professional forum?

How you verify that eligibility?

A suggestion:-

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71 threads were started in PF (Pro Forum) this means one thread after 20 days (approx)

731 posts have been made so for, this calculate exactly one post after two days.

The last post was made on 12 oct 2006 and today is 8 Nov 2006. Almost 24 days have been past and no post is made in Pro Forum. What is the reason of starting the pro forum then?

In my opinion, case discussion and pro-forum should be mearged with general discussion forum.

Hello Diplomat,

I don`t think these forums should be merged. Every good forum has a closed Professional Forum reasons for which are obvious !

You can`t make members post regularly, because they all have busy practices, family, children etc. and may also sometimes be ill for a longer period etc. Nobody tells you everything that`s going on behind closed doors ! !

I for one sort of left the forum twice because I was going from one period of mourning to another, because I lost several relatives and friends and didn`t feel like posting at all. In the last 2 months I again lost  3 relatives. Sigi was the only person I told about this.

If a forum has too few separate sub-forums threads may become a little confusing at times !

Wim

Permit me to say this in my personal capacity.

I managed to be a member of the professional forum, even before I became a hpathy team member. Obviously, we can draw some inferences from it.

I am not a qualified doctor. So, that is not the criteria. May be the evidence of professionalism, either as seen on these forums, or as told by some of the team members, may influence the decision whether to allow a particular individual to that forum or not.

The integrity of the person,  and the level of confidence the administration has in him,  in keeping it a closed forum, may also matter, if the concerned person happens to post here.

His overall reputation on other forums may also matter.

So, obviously, there is cross checking, before a person is allowed there. The rules may not be explicitly told, but it is made very clear that the discretion lies with the administration. That is the rule.

What influences the administration, need not be told, but, it can be guessed, as I guessed above.

Murthy

Hello Diplomat,

Before proceeding, maybe it is appropriate to understand the following:
What do you mean by 'likeness and dislikeness' within this context?

What do you understand by 'closeness to administrator'?

Do you want to say that basing the selection of members for the professional forum on true personal data and on professional performance and behaviour is unprofessional?

Then, in case this is what you want to say, what's YOUR suggestion to select members for the prof. forum ensuring safety, professionalism and rationality?

Think of phantoms like MAS, Dr. MAS, Dr. MASS who consists of a multiple personality (more exactly of a number of different persons). Think of all those who claim to be doctors without ANY contributions to support this claim (For example a certain Dr. Shahkeel always missed intellectual participation on a doctor's degree level).

No need for tears, poor Diplomat. It's all very reasonable.

sigi

Edit: I used the forum identity of a certain Dr., bec. it is obvious that a doctor with this name was not a real person inside the hpathy forum.
Therefore nobody can be offended.

Diplomat,

to understand better your feedback, it would have been reasonable, to answer the questions that were asked to understand better your thoughts. I have asked them, bec. I have the impression that you draw wrong conclusions from what gavinimurthy said.

So, before we cwn go on, can you pl. elaborate on the following?

"What do you mean by 'likeness and dislikeness' within this context?"
"What do you understand by 'closeness to administrator'?"
"Then, in case this is what you want to say, what's YOUR suggestion to select members for the prof. forum ensuring safety, professionalism and rationality?"

To your definition of professional, may I pl. add this (cut and paste):

pro·fes·sion·al (prə-fĕsh'ə-nəl)
adj.

1. 1. Of, relating to, engaged in, or suitable for a profession: lawyers, doctors, and other professional people.
   2. Conforming to the standards of a profession: professional behavior.
2. Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood or as a career: a professional writer.
3. Performed by persons receiving pay: professional football.
4. Having or showing great skill; expert: a professional repair job.

n.

1. A person following a profession, especially a learned profession.
2. One who earns a living in a given or implied occupation: hired a professional to decorate the house.
3. A skilled practitioner; an expert.

By the way, a dr mas is member in this forum.

Maybe we can do it step by step, Diplomat? In this way, your highly appreciated feedback can be worked upon in a more effective way.

Thanks for your kind understanding,
sigi

Sigi is right in his interpretation of professionalism. The word “Professional” has different meanings in different part of the world. We should understand a particular word according to the demand of hpathy team and locality of the forum / member’s residence. If in team’s opinion, “professional” does not mean that a qualified homeopath then we must accept the word professional in that scenario.

Here I want to take Kim’s quote as an example who jumped in like a pig and given a wise recommendation. If I say Kim is a pig then it is not an offence because in many cultures, Pig is the symbol of wealth. Pig are gentle and calm. They like the good things in life. The symbol Pig is courteous and tolerant. They have few friends, but keep them for life. Pig people are shy and prefer to solve their problems themselves, without seeking help from others. The Pig is also an ambivalent symbol. It can represent motherhood, prosperity and happiness. In many cultures, the pig is a fertility symbol.

If kim = pig (a wise man) is saying don’t fight with him then it is a wise call from a wise courteous and gentle man for all of you.

When you will understand the word professional in that context then there would be no problem. I believe.

Coming towards “Dr. MAS” I again support sigi’s secrets information. Dr. MAS to whom I know in Pakistan is gone to Saudi Arabi on Hajj Medical Mission and he cannot post at forum from Pakistan. So definitely if a person in disguise of Dr. MAS is still on the board from Pakistan then definitely he is not Dr. MAS in actual. He is in Saudia at the moment and cannot make a post here. Science is not yet advance to post at forum from Pakistan.

Dear Sigi

Don’t draw a bottom line, our approach should always be realistic and bearing expansion where you always have room to accommodate others good suggestions.

Access to the professionals forum doesn't qualify anyone to carry any title (be it professional or anything else).

Rozan Says: But when it appears under a member at "MEDICAL" forum it gives the same impression that he is professionally qualified in the relevent field that's why the title professional is given although in real he is not...

"When you will give any other name to professional forum then there would no problem in misunderstanding."

What is your suggestion for a more appropriate name?

Rozan Says: Any name in your sense is suitable is exactly suitable for everyone here except the professional.  You can call it "Private forum", "Conference Hall", "Hpathy Faculty Members" or "Advisors Office". Instead of "Professional", you can write "Hpathy Faculty", "Hpathy Advisors", "Hpathy Executives" etc.

"He has already given the suggestions but you do not understand them. Here I quote from his post. These are also suggestions if you can pick this point. "
Diplomat gave his definition. Pl see: Diplomat: "Here is the professional definition to public:-"

Rozan Says: But at the same time we can also derive suggestions from his definations. Dr. Leela is highly qualified professional, Manish is professional, Ricky is professional, Ghazi is professional, Tariq is professional, Snoopy is professional and many others are professional they are also practicing in their regions. They have license also to practice in their regions that's why there is no problem to call them professional at medical forum. You may give others any suitable name like Hpathy faculty member.

And:
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sigi: Then, in case this is what you want to say, what's YOUR suggestion to select members for the prof. forum ensuring safety, professionalism and rationality?
Diplomat: No comments.
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Rozan Says: Dear and Respectable Sigi, Again you are not following what he has written. Today, I talked to him and discussed the matter. He said, when I was giving them six points eligibility agenda then again he is asking me the same question then I have no choice to say "no comments"

Kindly acknowledge, that any administration of any website is not in a position of verifying most of the points Diplomat has given. Don't think just about Pakistan, but about all countries of the world.

Rozan Says:- I really appreciate and acknowledge hpathy thoughts and work they have done so for. They are moving in the right directions and set an example also for others to follow them. We are also running on the same line with changes according to our environment and laws. Diplomat pointed out a severe mistake in the set up and pointing that mistake is not critcism. If you will try to make it prestige matter then it will never solve. I don't know why it is so hard to accept that in professional forum that beside so many many professionals in professional forum there are members who are not professional homeopath by deifination but hpathy is insisting to declared them a professional at forum. Simply you just change the professional and give any other name that is suitable and problem will be solved.

Just to pass a light remarks in the discussion, I ask you what you find less in JOE DE LIVERA, why he cannot become a member of professional forum? To me, his approach is professional (knows all the organo and philosophical points, he can suggest remedies according to the prescribed rules (confirm! he is holding all posts at ABC forum and very regular at NCH forum also) , he is a true experimental also (see nat phos, nat sulph and arnica experimentation). I challenge you, you can compete him with any homeopath of the world. I am also member at ABC forum. But frankly speaking, he is not professional homeopath although he is very professional in his approach (if you put his experimentation on arnica aside for a while) becuase he is not qualfied and he also accepts it.

Do I get it right, that you just want the 'prof. forum' to be renamed and that 'Professional' at the avatars of members should not be generated automatically by the forum-software?

I do not see any problem, I will give you the method of verification when you will be required. It is so easy.

About software, my knowledge is poor. But I tell you can easily change the avatar name by doing necessary changes in programming.

Thanks for your input, Rozan,

Rozan Says:- You are always welcome.

I will not be available for a week.