Homeopathy Forums - Oxygenated Water

Hello All, just wanting to get some opinions about oxygenated water. I seem to hear a lot about this lately and was wondering what the respected forum members on here are drinking at home. Also can reverse osmosis water actually be bad for us?

Any comments on water would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

While I can by no means consider myself an expert either, I will still try to give you both a satisfactory answer. First I'll explain acidity, so if you are already familiar with that, feel free to skip it.

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On acid and alkaline: there is a method of measuring the degree of acidity of a substance, it is called the pH. This is a mathematical abbreviation meaning the negative logarithm of the concentration of H+ ions (in water that is H3O+ ions), the things that actually make the substance acid. The lower the pH of a substance, the more acid it is, the higher, the more alkaline it is. While pH can theoretically vary between any value, it is usually limited between 0 and 14, as higher or lower pH's or too concentrated for most uses (if you touched them, they would leave SERIOUS burns).

pH is a logarithmic scale, this means that when you go from pH=1 to pH=2, then you have a substance which is 10 times less acid then the original one. Pure, distilled water has a pH of 7, which is to say, neutral. Coffee has a pH of about 5 (depending on the type), so this is not 1000 but 100 times more acid than distilled water. And ordinary water is not distilled water, but has CO2 dissolved in it in the shape of carbon acid, leading to a pH of about 6,5. Obviously, coffee isn't 1000 times more acid than water...
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You have absolutely no reason to try and make your water and your coffee more alkaline. We have no reason to assume that an acid body pH would make you ill, other than that the word "acid" sounds dangerous. By the way, alkaline stuff isn't that friendly either. Caustic Soda with a pH of 14 will just as merrily burn your flesh away as sulfuric acid with a pH of 0 does. Ammonia is alkaline, and it is the one thing your body is spending most effort on to keep getting rid of, by converting it to ureum or urethric acid (not sure I translated that one right) and than excreting it (when you go take a piss). Truth is: there is no such thing as a body pH. All human organs work in their own, optimised pH. In the stomach you normally have a pH of about 2, while directly after food comes out of the stomach in into the duodenum, it experiences a pH of about 9. Your blood has a pH of about 7,4 and has a couple of efficiënt buffers, making sure it does not change easily. The basic ingredients for the most important buffer are plain water and carbon dioxide, which aren't exactly rare. Believe me, your cup of coffee isn't going to influence your blood pH, if any of the pH values in your body would significantly change, well, let's say you'd most probably be dead by now.

Edited by Elennaro - 06 Dec. 07 at 17:07

Not Belgian, not Flemish, just plain European. Sometimes I long for prehistoric days, but then I remember I would've already died twice back then

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Finally, concerning the oxygenated water: I can see three types here. None of them are useful, one is dangerous. Altough there are other reasons than those listed below, I will try to keep this one a little short. If you want to hear about these other reasons, please ask, I will gladly give them. EDIT: By the way, distilled water is not the same as oxygenated water, it does indeed contain no minerals anymore, as this is the purpose of the distillation: to create pure water. Better not drink it, not that it's poisonous (I have drunk it myself before), it just tastes... well... dry. Funny, isn't it? Back to oxygenated water:

1) Simply water with more oxygen than usually stored within. This is useless because extra oxygen can only be put in under pressure, which would be lost the minute you opened up the bottle (about the same thing happens with lemonade when you open the bottle, only there it's carbon dioxide). So the extra oxygen would just fly away.

2) Water with chlorophyl in it, I've heard, is being sold. People say that chlorophyl is the primary agent for oxygenating your blood. This is not true. Chlorophyl is used by plants to form glucose and release energy under influence of sunlight. This does create oxygen gas, but this was originally a side-effect. This way the oxygen we breathe came into the air, burning up most of the life forms existing back then, making it probably the first (and worst) polluent gas known to us.
Human as we are though, we can do absolutely nothing with chlorophyl. Oygen is transported in our blood mainly by Haemoglobine, not chlorophyl.

3) Hydrogen peroxide. Many people think this is just water with extra oxygen in it, but they are wrong. They think so because of the chemical formula's (water is H2O, hydrogen peroxide is H2O2). H2O2 is in fact a dangerous chemical product used to bleach hairs and kill germs. I wouldn't touch it too often, let alone drink ik if I were you...

Edited by Elennaro - 06 Dec. 07 at 17:10

Not Belgian, not Flemish, just plain European. Sometimes I long for prehistoric days, but then I remember I would've already died twice back then

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Chlorophyll is often referred to as "the blood of plant life" and has almost the same chemical structure as haemoglobin (oxygen transport molecules in red cells in human blood), according to studies done in 1911. The difference between the two is that in human blood the metallic element of the haemoglobin is iron, while in chlorophyll this atom is magnesium. Chlorophyll goes into the red blood cells immediately. The red cell count was returned to normal within 4 to 5 days of the administration of chlorophyll in animals which were known to be extremely anaemic.

GT

you may feel gratefull that homeopathy survived the attempts of allopaths to destroy it- MARK TWAIN

elennaro posted:'H2O2 is in fact a dangerous chemical product used to bleach hairs ".....................

Not so, You can let H2O2 sit on top of your head for an few hours and nothing will happen.

The H2O2 needs to be activated by another chemical compound to turn it into a bleaching agent,but all by itself it does not bleach hair.

GT

you may feel gratefull that homeopathy survived the attempts of allopaths to destroy it- MARK TWAIN

How Alkalizing Your Body Can Oxygenate Your Cells

Many of you will be aware that there is extensive research showing that cancer exists, and flourishes, in an acidic environment, and deteriorates and dies in an alkaline environment. Making the body more alkaline is important in fighting cancer.

Acidic water can hold very little oxygen. Alkaline water can hold large amounts of oxygen. This includes the water in cells. To increase the amount of oxygen in your cells, you therefore need to create a more alkaline environment.

Sang Whang, in his book Reverse Ageing, agrees. If your body is overly acidic, your cells cannot detoxify. You then develop acidic and poorly oxygenated cells, which may turn cancerous. "In general, degenerative diseases are the result of acid waste build ups within us. When we are born, we have the highest alkaline mineral concentration and also the highest body pH. (i.e. we are very alkaline). From that point on, the normal process of life is to gradually acidify. That is why these degenerative diseases do not occur when you are young. Reverse aging requires two separate steps: chemical and physical. The first step is to lower the acidity of the body so that it can dispose of acidic wastes in the blood and cellular fluids safely and easily. The second is to physically pull out old stored wastes into the blood stream so that they can be discharged from the body." http://www.alwaysyoungplus.com/a.html

Dr. Otto Warburg was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1931 for the discovery that, unlike healthy cells in the human body, cancer cells do not "breathe" oxygen. Cancer cells are anaerobic, in other words they function with no oxygen present. In fact, cancer cells cannot survive in the presence of high levels of oxygen.

"Cancer above all other disease, has countless secondary causes, but there is only one prime cause. The prime cause is the replacement of the normal oxygen respiration of body cells by an anaerobic cell respiration."

Keiichi Morish*ta, as described in his book Hidden Truth of Cancer, is that the body dumps acidic substances from the blood into our cells to keep the blood in its naturally and essentially alkaline state. This causes the cells to become toxic and acidic, decreases their oxygen levels, and harms DNA. Eventually most of the acidic cells will die. However, some will evolve, and adapt, and survive by becoming abnormal, mutated cells. Malignant cells. These multiply indefinitely and without order. They are cancer. Both Warburg and Morish*ta agree, from slightly different angles, that low oxygen levels turn some cells cancerous. Their research indicates, then, that to get as much oxygen as you can into the cells can be an effective way to prevent cancer, and increasing oxygen levels in already cancerous cells could destroy the mutant cells.

As Chris Woollams explained in The First Pillar of Cancer, lowered cellular oxygen can be caused by a number of factors. Too much sodium is one of the biggest contributors, and our salt rich western diets are no help. Japanese research has shown that a doubling of sodium intake doubles colon cancer risk.

Edited by Carole Franske - 10 Dec. 07 at 16:45

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Carole Franske, DIHom

"I admit I might have been wrong on certain parts, but I do know for a fact that hydrogen peroxide IS used to bleach hair. "

Wrong 100%

Go ahead and try it,put H2O2 on black or dark brown hair wait a half hour an hour two hours three hours....................nothing happens. H2O2 needs another chemical to activate it,alone it does NOT bleach HAIR.------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ ----

To the subject of Chlorophyl

Chlorella contains more chlorophyll than any other plant food. Taking chlorophyll is the fastest way to build red blood cells.

chlorophyl is 98% identical to blood, - chlorophyl too needs an extra molecule of magnesium and blood an extra molecule of iron. Chlorophyll is also near-identical to hemoglobin, a protein responsible for making red blood cells and carrying oxygen through the blood. It is this oxygen transport that makes chlorophyl so healing, since pathogenic organisms like hiding out in cells by creating an anaerobic (oxygen-starved) environment. Chlorophyll is both oxygen and blood, not just for green plants but also animals and humans.

GT

Edited by G Tyler - 09 Dec. 07 at 19:46

you may feel gratefull that homeopathy survived the attempts of allopaths to destroy it- MARK TWAIN

Dear Elennaro

Thanks for your imput but

Seems to me a bit more research needs to be done regards issues you take a stance on:

H202,vaccines causing autism (your other posts) Chlorophyll,PH levels.......................Are you a health care practicioner,why the interest in all this? Perhaps if you were a health care practicioner your research would be more complete.

Nothing posted here is anything new. I have listed enough links to keep you busy for a week. Search this "Hpthy" website and you will see more of the same.

www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com can cover all these subjects in detail.

GT

you may feel gratefull that homeopathy survived the attempts of allopaths to destroy it- MARK TWAIN

Elennaro posted "Regarding the subjects you referred to I am quite sure my statements are correct, though perhaps not worded correctly, as for autism I merely stated I had not seen evidence for it being caused by vaccines (I do not refer to anecdotal evidence) and I stated this could never have been the cause of my own autism spectrum disorder,"-----------------------------------------" I am however a first-year medicine student, which might explain both my relative ignorance"...................................

Ok now it makes sense!

Please show me documents to back up "your" statements? Just wondering what is being thaught in mEdical schools?

GT

Edited by G Tyler - 10 Dec. 07 at 15:21

you may feel gratefull that homeopathy survived the attempts of allopaths to destroy it- MARK TWAIN

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