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Hi there,
 
I have chronic fatigure syndrome following a double dose of glandular fever and atypical pnemonia.
 
A friend of a friend of a friend is a homeopath and has asked me to write down on a piece of paper the letters 'CARC' and the number '200' under it and place it under a glass that has 1 inch of water in it. I'm to leave it there for 20 minutes then sip the water for 5 minutes.
 
I've to do this for 3 days. He said that I will start to feel fluy or like I have a bad cold and then in 10-14 days I'll start to come out of it, returning to full health hopefully in 1 month.
 
Has anyone else heard of this or am I being a complete fool doing this? He said "it sounds like magic but that I don't have to believe in it to do it". Something to do with the mind and that I "think too much and feel too little" I think is words were.
 
I'm keen to give anything a go at this stage.

Your comments would be really appreciated!
 
Cheers,
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  Quote Snoopy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov. 08 at 22:53

Dave, what do you have to lose?  The only difference is, I would do it once, just once, not for three days.

 
This is based on Dr. Emoto's experiments with water crystals and the form they take after being exposed to various influences, including "words", like "thank you".  Do a google search for Dr. Emoto and look at his photographs.
 
But ideally, a homeopath should take your case and prescribe a "real" remedy based on your symptoms.
 
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Well, that's certainly not conventional classical homeopathy (or maybe even not any homeopathy at all) and I know very little about it so ought not comment.   I used to mock homeopathy and all sorts of voodoo as quackery, but here I am stuck in the crap well seduced by it! 

Sounds like your friend's homeopath has you doing some sort of remote energy remedy projection thing there.  Some sort of 200C remedy?   Carc?  Hmmm... Carcinosin comes to mind.   Hmmm....Carcinosin 200C projected through the universe and cosmos straight to you?  That is, indeed, wild!   LOL

I have a homeopath friend here on the forums who is into things like that and not at all crazy, but I have never explored such things.  Don't wanna.  Might even be true, but I avoid looking at it for now because I'm already so far off the deep end as a kook scientist that something like that would be icing on the cake.  LOL   Hell, I focus my Chi (vital force) -- projecting the winds of my concentration to put out candles at a distance -- as a fun mental exercise (Ki Projection), and, to some Catholic priests, I'm inviting demon possession.  To others, I'm strengthening my power and faith in the Rosary.   In or out of the Rosary and all exorcism factors, the ability to snuff out candles at a distance from my projected "energy" (energy I can't fully define in science) remains.  It's a fun magic trick.  Impresses the chicks as romantic to blow out candlelight dinners, though I have yet to remove bras and panties by telekenesis!  Nor do I shoot sparks from my palms like Yoda just yet.  Yet!!!!! Wink  Makes students pay closer attention in awe when I speak about the reality of the Vital Force, though.   It's more like Chi weightlifting and strength training for me so that, over time, I should be able to do that at a greater distance.  Stuff martial arts masters in the Orient have been doing for ages and to far greater projection whalup than I can do -- as a Chronic Fatigue (Adrenal damaged by Allopathy) case also.

Basically, I study all this homeopathy stuff as a great mystery to me and tool for healing the sickly, but, by the time I'm an old man, I'd like to be able to heal simply by the miraculous power of touch and spiritual energy alone.  That there are healers out there able to do wild voodoo like that I do not doubt, so you never know (Check out some of the links and Chi projection videos on my page at www.MolecularDyne.com).  Some seek to draw that energy from the "cosmos", gods, or whatever.  As for me, I'm a Conservative Roman Catholic -- same religion and theology as Mother Teresa (who was also a homeopath, by the way); Same as Pope John Paul II.   So, we Catholics are rather comfortable with "voodoo" as Protestants know all too well.

Most honest answer I can give you is that you're being subjected to voodoo in some form.Tongue   Will it work?  Hell if I know.  I don't know everything and I'm always happy to be stumped.  But, if you believe in it, that'll give you a greater than 50% Placebo chance for sure so keep an open mind since the priority is to be healed.  If you find that it works repeatedly and is really seductive, well, just be careful not to soak all your life savings into it.  If you find your life spinning out of control -- as if driven or cursed by external forces;  If you start to have hallucinations, nightmares, unusual bad luck; see shadowy figures emanating from your body; have out of body experiences; develop clairvoyance; grow worse in health; or start spinning your head in circles while spewing out green bile.... maybe think about seeing a priest to be exorcised.  

In the meantime, study up on Vitamin C.  Look into temporary use of things like Adrenal Complex and supplements.   Or, Ginseng tea.   Study up on Ayurvedic Medicine.  Maybe think about finding a good Chinese Medicine doctor and acupuncturist.  Or, find yourself a classical homeopath if this one doesn't serve you.   Many are the ways and some of the "voodoo" oddly works, too.  Some "voodoo" is more reliable -- or at least less strange and disturbing -- than other "voodoo", however.  Tongue  

Bottom line:  I never laugh now when I hear of the strangest things in the world.  Silly sugar pellets banged in water curing the sickly for over 200 years.  What the hell?!!!  Hippies and their New Age voodoo rubbing rocks and laying hands on people, and curing them?!  People beaming medicine prescriptions globally as if spells cast?!  Monks of the Orient throwing 200 pound men through the air like feathers?!  Potent figures in history arising as bullet-proof, flame-proof, and totally unkillable as if almost god-like on earth?!  Astral projection?!   People truly knowing and seeing the future?!   It's a damn weird world we live in and it's filled with voodoo!!!  And I don't know how to explain it in science other than it seems to be real at times, as best we can observe.   The more I wander off the beaten path as a nerd, the more I am no longer an arrogant scientist and transition more into a goofy mystic once dipped in science.  And I'm comfortable as that because it forces you to "think outside the box" while there are also a great many spiritual and sanity dangers in doing so. 

Reader be warned!   Our quack world is for only the comfortably mad!!!  LOL








 

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Darn it!  I was hoping to post and leave this thread, but then your post popped in, Snoopy, and now I'm forced to read about this Dr. Emoto out of curiosity and yet I don't wanna!!  You're making more of a quack out of me and I like it!!  Wink

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Dear Dave,

What you have been suggested is NOT Homeopathy.

It is SOOOOO wrong to call anything like this 'Homeopathy'. It's a shame!

That is as good as offering a healing 'prayer'. This is not medicine in any form.

Go get a real homeopath! If you can't find one, it would be safer to go to your GP.
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  Quote Snoopy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov. 08 at 00:22
Well, let us know what you think of dr. emoto's dark-field microscopy.
 
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Are you talkin' to me??!! (mobster tone there).  Snoopy!  Wink   I'll assume so.  Was gonna go to bed, but you tempted me.

Ah, so it's a Dr. Emoto thing! Tongue  Maybe?  I dunno.  Fascinating.    Thanks for shedding light on that. 

Re:  Dr. Emoto

1) First time I've ever seen this Dr. Emoto stuff, though ice crystal photographs of homeopathic water I've seen before.  No comment for now.  I haven't studied it enough.

2) Found this quote on Wikipedia:

Kristopher Setchfield, (BA, Health Science) from Castleton State College (Natural Science Department) in Vermont has made a paper called "Review and analysis of Dr. Masaru Emoto’s published work on the effects of external stimuli on the structural formation of ice crystals"[11].

He concludes the following:

It is this crucial lack of scientific foundation that prevents Dr. Emoto’s work from attracting interest by widely accepted and respected scientists at long-standing research institutions. This is unfortunate for the world if there is, after all, truth to his claims--as reproduction of his results by any scientist would lend much credence to his work. A little change in Emoto’s experimental design would do great things for the credibility of his claims. I recommend the following to ground his work in sound scientific principle:

  • Eliminate the possibility of the scientist’s bias affecting the experiment’s results by implementing double blind procedures.
  • Publish the entire collection of photos for all water sample tests that he has performed, not just the ones that support his claim.
  • Minimize the sources of possible error in his procedures, such as variation in temperature and humidity between sample.
  • Pay more attention to the time-tested methods of the scientific community rather than disregarding them. Emoto’s research could go much farther if he could interest scientists around the world in testing his hypothesis.

After the lengthy review of Emoto’s research methods and results, I have come to believe that Dr. Emoto is offering pseudoscience to the masses in the guise of defensible research. Only time and review by others will tell if there is any truth at the heart of Mr. Emoto’s claims, as Emoto himself thoroughly believes in his findings but does not value the scientific method or community. What is truly fearsome is the great numbers of people that accept his words as proven facts without looking deeper to find out if his claims are truly justified. While I respect Dr. Emoto’s desire to save the Earth’s water from contamination and pollution, unless he can produce a scientific paper and get it published in a scientific journal, I believe that he will continue to be ignored by the scientific community, and his claims will never be soundly proved or disproved

—Kristopher Setchfield[11]
...For now, best I can say is the critic makes some strong arguments while the scientific publication demand is a little snobby.   This Kris Setchfield seems to be more fair and and lighter on the punches with Dr. Emoto than your average skeptic -- almost eager to believe it as true but rejecting the observations reported -- so I'll keep that strongly in mind when reading  some of Dr. Emoto's stuff.

...In general, the idea that human thoughts, will, and speech or even Qi projection might have some influence on water (and homeopathic remedy manufacture), I don't reject.  I can't explain it properly in science, but it doesn't discomfort me as voodoo jive and huckster yapping.   I wouldn't call it homeopathy or classical homeopathy, but just one of those interesting things out there.   Deserves to be looked at just in case water is being influenced by forces unknown, and I would guess that it can be.   Heck, I believe in things like Lourdes water and holy water so I guess that puts me in Emoto's camp a bit.  That's an unscientific notion, indeed, but nothing says Science is God or that scientists are the gatekeepers of truth and reality.

...As far as I know, things like Lourdes water and holy water won't likely work in double-blind studies, though.  Maybe.  I dunno.   I forget where I read it, but it was a certainly biased study by a Christian group, I think, which declared that people prayed over (blind cases, I think) were healed to better degree than those who were not.  You could substitute water or anything as a medium there.  If Placebo was removed in that case and the subject being prayed over was not knowing of it, then that would lend support for the power of prayer.   And I personally would have to totally agree with that since the prayers of others -- often without my knowing -- have well carried me in life to almost impossible and insane sounding degree that I cannot declare as anything other than miraculous.   Can't subject it to scrutiny of the arrogant scientists, but it's good enough for me and none of their damn business anyhow.

So, yeah, I'm kinda rooting for this Dr. Emoto's stuff, for now.  Haven't read it yet and only some summary, but sounds interesting all the same.  Tongue  More religion than homeopathic art and science, certainly, but often the first is more powerful than the latter.   I dunno.  I just dunno, though.  I used to know everything and now I kinda like not knowing! LOL

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  Quote sndlink Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov. 08 at 05:21
Thank you all for your comments.

I'll continue with the CARC 200 routine and let you know how I go.

I'll keep an open mind throughout...Thumbs Up

Thanks and best regards,

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Hi Dave
 
We are really interested in your feedback. Do tell us.
 
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Dear Stan,
 
You write, "More religion than homeopathic art and science, certainly, but often the first is more powerful than the latter." - this is very shrewd of you. The way the Japanese go is usually to proclaim something which sounds very idealistic and "of a better world", then line up a lot of scientifically sounding words, supply some photographs with all sorts of mottos in most cheerful tone, like they would not just say "it tastes good" in a publicity bit, they'd say "you may enjoy the exquisite taste of this something something", somehow they are very superstitious, and seem to believe that if you call a thing by a beautiful name, the thing somehow becomes beautiful just because of this, and regardless of its inherent qualities etc. And after you have done all that "homework", you find some good reference to call yourself by - a lot of organisations that are set up just to sell something are called "research institute" - there is an uproar in the world about Japanese whaling, and people seem to get the impression that this is done "for research purposes", while it's just the name of the organisation that does this whaling South of Australia - it's called "a research institute", but what it does - I just came across this in the local newspaper today - is popularising foods made of whale meats, and because of the attachs of the "Sea Shepherd" among other things, they are in the red this year and decided to close one of their shops - there is nothing near "research" in the whole thing! But that's how it works here. THere are plenty of people here who would like to beleive in something as the society is still in the dark ages in the spiritual sense, so when Emoto comes up with his words "love" and beautiful crystals of water on the same photo, he immediately becomes a guru, a sect springs out of nowhere - do you remember "Aum" which manufactured zarin (sarin?) and released the gaz in the Tokyo subway several years ago? The leader of that sect was so transparently "unusual", yet he had no difficulty altogether in recruiting all the chemists and a large group of "beleivers" at the same time.
 
Having said all that, I would just like to have just someone try to repeat what Mr. Emoto reports, because there is so much about the ways our consciousness works - collectively and individually - that we don't know, that it is terribly exciting to have any research at all...
 
Excuse me for the rambling style - I hardly have time to collect my thoughts and write a coherent thing, but I do hope you managed to understand what I'm trying to say?
 
So, please, do look into this!
 
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P.S. A head of one of Tokyo homeopathy schools regularly tells his students that "some people, when they do not have a remedy at hand, just write the name of the remedy on a piece of paper, give it to the patient to do as the starter of this thread has described, and the remedies work!"
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Hi Elena,

Thank you for all the information!  Oh yes, I remember the Aum Shinri Kyo folks.   Studied a lot of their philosophic and New Age religious overlaps with other bad guy groups but nobody cares.  Nobody likes to see the truth.   It's fascinating to me that you observe this sort of great skill in delivering euphemisms and marketing propaganda from the Japanese.   That kind of stuff is all the fashion here in America, too.   I guess the orient just has a different cultural spin on things.  

You know, the whole thing sounds to me like nothing more than Dr. Emoto's statement that Chi (or our Vitality) can somehow be projected into the world -- influencing nature even at the microscopic level.  It's certainly off the beaten path and not conventional homeopathy, though maybe remedies are prescribed and "projected" classically via the pins poked in the "voodoo" doll.  

Reminds me a bit of the master swordsmiths in the Japan who sing to their swords and pray for them on the anvil -- believing that the blacksmith imparts his spirit or Chi into the work which makes for a fine masterpiece, and none can argue that those men don't create unique, gorgeous, and potent swords. 

Reminds me also of the Japanese carpenter and his elegantly balanced tools for pulling Chi toward the body rather than pushing away from it.   I have a quasi-uncle who is half Japanese and was raised using tools like that.  One day, I was admiring some of his hand tools and we studied them.  I was totally in awe of this little hand ax we shared to chop down a tree.  Just perfectly balanced.  All the momentum and cleaving power in exactly the right spots;  As if it was born to be nothing more than a hand hatchet in this world;  As if given a kind of "life" by a blacksmith.  It did the same job as a chainsaw, or larger axe swung by he-men, and with such ease.  Trying to do that with the cheesey, archaic, American hand hatchet I have here on the farm can be done but you'd spend all day and more energy on it.  Oh, how the Japanese know how to put engineering Chi into tools and swords, that's for sure!  

So, though there's a lot of mytical drivel and salesman talk to many hucksters, I think we
need to be more open to the non-hucksters with their mystical chatter.  Even if one does not believe in Chi or the ability of man's projected will to impact nature and even if some other explanation can be made for it that complies better with science, those who do believe often interestingly do exert influence over nature that seems almost like witchcraft injected even into their graceful engineering. 

We see it again in the graceful harnessing and projection of energy in their martial arts such as Aikido.  I have no doubts that the world is filled with various medicine men and healers who do have some sort of supernatural powers acquired.  Personally, I think most is given by the Devil (and I could care less what scientists make of that) while even some of that is often rescued by God over time, so who am I to judge if people are doing good work in the world with genuine energy projected.  It just doesn't fit the conventional homeopathy window and could very well be more hucksterism.

As far as Chi influencing nature, I am comfortable with it, though I cannot really explain it or unify it with the laws of physics.   Last night, I cranked out some drivel on that in another thread where I did try to unify things a little -- at least messy as it exists in my own head.


As for Chi or the Vital Force projected, I have experimented with and felt it to my own satisfaction that certainly does not meet scientific standards.  It is crazy for most to hear, but never to those who watch and try it for themselves.  I can tell you honestly that my little candle snuff-out trick is most interesting to me as exactly that ability of human will or lensed Chi to impact nature -- exactly along the lines of this water influencing stuff of Dr. Emoto. 

I do it more like throwing darts at the flame -- pointing to it with an index finger, but most the intention and anger of my mind.   Anger or strain or whatever you want to call it, but it's like being energy constipated and trying to get it out for me.  I groan as if trying to lay an egg, and the more I do that, the more lensed it gets;  The more I'm able to disrupt and put out that flame at greater distance -- and with a force of wind that is oddly well-focused beyond any aerodynamic considerations I can make.   I've put out gentle candles at a few inches with ease and also strongly burning candles at around 3 to 4 feet distant from my fingertip.  No cupping of the hands or trying to blow wind on the candle.   Just honestly studying it for myself.   I am convinced there is no aerodynamic influence upon the candle through the motion of my hand and arm -- at least nothing conventional -- and I would love to see the airflow sometime under special photography.   The airflow around my arms, fist, and index finger, between me and the candle, and the heated air around the candle.  

Now, it is possible that my body is influencing the pressure waves around the burning flame.  That would seem to be the case because I have a much harder time distorting the flame and cannot yet put it out behind a sheet of glass.   So, for now, the scientific explanation that it is from wind would seem to wind the argument.

At the same time, whatever wind I am projecting to blow out my candle is also absolutely strengthened or weakened by the state of my vitality, Chi, and the overall "energy" in me at the time.  The very act drains me; Weakens my Chi or Vital Force;  And requires replenishment of that energy over time or instantly.  As for me, I do not engage in meditation upon a "cosmos" or trying to "channel" and "call down" the various witchcraft powers of impersonal gods and the world's deities.  I prefer to try drawing my Chi -- in Qi Gong like form -- from a Christian perspective.   And so, that puts me far off the deep end into kook lala land now!  LOL   But, I can tell you it works.   My ability to put out a candle at a distance is a direct function of my internal strength and vitality -- and being adrenally damaged -- it's a very difficult thing for me to do just one candle trick.  I basically groan and grunt like Bruce Lee making punches just to pull it off, but this is only an infant's way of walking with it.

I can tell you that mental concentration and intensity of focus is key.  It does not work well when my mind is distracted, if I'm talking to others, and works best when it's just me and the candle.   But, all in all, whether aerodynamics is an issue or not, there appears to be some ability of my own intentions and focus of them to at least impact the manner of airflow from my arm, fist, and fingertip to the burning flame.   And there is no voodoo to it.  I am not in communion with the Devil.  I do not meditate upon and try to align with various dieties.  In or out of Christian prayer, the power is still there but the prayer and meditative aspects replenish things.

I have discussed such things and a lot of these mysterious yogi things we see in the world with an Ayurvedic practitioner/ N.D. who is greatly into meditaiton and has some sort of Hindu religion. His analogy and explanation is also that we are spiritual beings who live half in this world and half in the next.   It is through deep meditation that the mind tends to "untangle" and shed a lot of the noise in this world.  He uses the analogy of a diver going to the ocean's floor.  At the surface (in the conscious world), the waves are noisy and rough.  As you plunge deeper, the water becomes more calm and still.  And there are undercurrents in that world (spiritual influences).  As you put feet on the bottom, some call that "connection with the source", or "source Ki", or "walking with God", or whatever but I know better than to believe that all men who meditate -- especially with nullified minds among mantra -- make contact with God, but more likely a lot of other influences, most insidious, though appearing benevolent.   Thus, I favor things like the Rosary and Lectio Divina for Qi Recharge, though I am most certainly no holy man and still much the merry sinner! LOL  I have my own kinda style of Qi Gong and Yoga that is far simpler and devoid of much the voodoo, but I believe in the power of the voodoo, certainly. 

Or rather, I believe in the power of spirit without any doubts, and I cannot fully explain it in scientific terms other than as the Quintessence which the old scientists sought;  The pinnancle, parental, Creator, and source energy further back in origins than the mere fundamental forces we know about today or the four classic undefinables of modern physics (Light, Time, Matter, and Energy).  This Chi thing, Vital Force, or human spirit somehow fits into a clean mathematical physics model that unifies Light, Time, Matter, and Energy if it be real, and observations tell us it is real, so the model remains simply elusive.

The ability to project our conscious will into the world I have also personally felt before as an aviator, marksman, crazy driver as a teenager, or just about anything where you kinda transition from sloppy to potent in the moment;  As if in your element.  And my yogi-physician pal describes that as an instantaneous plunge or connection to "the source".  Whatever people wish to call it, it is a kind of sudden flashing of the mind into active deep meditation while still being fully awake, fully conscious, and even thinking of many other things.  I do not know how to describe "being a natural" at something unless you've just felt it.   And you feel it when struggling with something -- learning to play a musical instrument, learning to walk before running, learning to swim, learning to fight, learning to shoot, learning to drive with aggression, learning to fly with aggression, learning to do anything with aggression and a kind of demand, craving, and need  for excellence or precision.  Then, the struggle snaps eventually and the sum of human learning, observations, calculations, senses and extra senses just kick into a kind of "overdrive".  The man becomes "one with the machine", "one with nature", operating in his "element" as if born to be nothing else but in that moment.  Like Tiger Woods hitting a golf ball or Babe Ruth pointing to the outfield and calling his shots is exactly what is Qi projection.  And, around the time it seems almost like supernatural witchcraft behind it all; Like unique talent that is well outside the norm of human experience and capacity.... that's Chi well focused and projected.  The human spirit unleashed in this mediocre world and, yes, influential over nature, too.

At the same time, the struggle and strain to be like that depletes the inner energy and fire.  It's hard to articulate, but there's a kind of potency that comes sloppy from too much trying and then a greater potency that comes from just relaxation and not trying at all.  That "natural" state of Qi projection is more powerful than "constipated" struggle to focus and lense.  Best way I can describe it is that, when I try to to aim and shoot well, I am sometimes just normal to a sharpshooter.  Nothing special until competition is required or adrenaline or anger kicks in.  Then, I do make those one in a million shots.  When I was a boy playing around with a bb gun and pals, I took a casual shot at a flying bird about 30 to 40 yards out and 50 up, and nailed it.   Was just goofing around, and yet downed a little bird like I was a Doc Holiday gunslinger.  When I try, I can't do that, though.  When I don't try or when I just let go and "flow" with .... I hate to say it, but almost that Luke Skywalker kind of "feeling the Force"....yes, it is projected through me to the target as if I am a mere conduit.  The human will seems to even guide a projectile to its target perfectly by the subconscious will while my struggle and strain to do that in the conscious never works.

In everything having to do with human performance, strong vision is required, and that vision has to be projected.  Struggle and strain is normal and part of the learning curve, but the gateway is more fully open when one just relaxes, lets go, and "feels the Force" is about all I can say.  Among that strain of the mind, yes, the "Third Eye" does rupture open and one has to be careful not to lose the sanity or soul.  Even a scientist being able to see a whole world on a chalkboard is an open gateway to madness, all the more so where sometimes a bit of the future is honestly seen, and yet you cannot control even that -- elsed you'd be raiding poker tables if you could!  LOL

Man is created in the image of God, it is said, so that he sometimes appears to have god-like, supernatural, and witchcraft abilities in this world is to be expected.   Meanwhile, Science is a horribly empty theology while the scientist is not God nor the final say on anything of Truth.  And one also has to be careful in playing with the "voodoo"; for it can lead rapidly to madness and oblivion of the soul.

I don't know what to make of this Dr. Emoto's stuff just yet, but, whether his reports are huckster or not, I think there may be something to it.  There are homeopaths, after all, who believe their own Chi projected into a remedy tends to amplify potency or quality, and I don't disagree with that, though I haven't observed it.   Dr. Hahnemann told us the Vital Force is a spiritual facet.   A remedy impacting that tells us also that something about the remedies, therefore, does impact whatever is the substance of living spirit and also body.  We, the living, always exist in a dual state -- both material man and half ghost.

And I can also fully understand this Dr. Emoto's lack of care for proving his findings to the "scientific community" if only because that's like bowing down to the gods of science as somehow superior in logic, intellect, and observation to we on the mystical side.  It can be explained in scientific, mathematical terms someday, I think.  But, who says we have to do that?  And would the world be a better place if we did explain the reality of spirit?  If we did help science to better understand the mechanism and harnessing of spirit?   I think not.  I think man isn't ready for that technical capacity when he can barely tame his own religious impulses.  

Everybody wants to understand and know -- as if knowledge is all powerful; all worshipful; all elitist; all of man's wanting to be like God.  We Catholics know that urge all too well as our ancient Gnostic enemy which presently dominates a very evil and cold-hearted, modern world which has no regard for the sanctity of human life and spirit.   When the mystics of the world unleash a kind of fire of God among us, the arrogant scientists demand to know how it all works or surely it must be fraud and hucksterism.   But, the finger and spark of God in this world is not subservient and answering to the will of men nor is their ability to look, listen, reason, and judge up to par.   So, when a yogi or monk works his wonders or makes crystals in water or whatever -- and if he chooses to paint slogans, elegant art around it, or all sorts of "Be well!!!" New Age chatter -- I see that as his right;  His freedom of speech;  His right as an artist, not scientist.   And it is for the patient to judge whether or not he wishes to buy into that magic show as real or not. 

I just don't believe it is the government, or scientific community, or anyone's right to persecute or prosecute even the voodoo witches and strange medicine men of the world.  The world has always been a better place when we just let them be and trust in the wisdom of the common man to decide for himself.  When we attack the voodoo yogi and practitioners for being outside our acceptable window of how things should be done, we are weaving our own homeopathic noose for the hangman.   Meanwhile, classical homeopathy should not allow itself tainted by too much voodoo, either, and yet its core is all deep voodoo!! 

Anyhow, it's not for me to judge.  I just wander, explore, test, and try to make use of things if they're real while even real things -- like Chi projection -- need to be self regulated.  Sometimes, it is better for the practitioner who blesses his medicine and prays for his patients to just keep that to himself.   For some it is offensive or spooky.  For others, nonsensical voodoo.  In the end, all that counts is that the patient is well served and, if it works -- even if by placebo and fraud of hucksters out there -- at least it worked here and there.

Dr. Andrew Weil noted in his book long ago, Health & Healing, that this issue of Placebo Effect is often given a negative slant by the Conventional and Alternative world.  But, he expressed interest and hope that people might explore it more as also an extremely powerful treatment approach.   Heck, when the homeopathy and other approaches fail, there is always the Placebo Effect to invoke which will give you greater than 50% hedge on behalf of the patient.   Thus, if they trust in you.  If they can seriously believe in your competence based in complete disclosure;  If you can keep them positive, hopeful, optimistic, and under ample morale like that --- applying the best of psychological methods to better cement that vision in them.....it's equally as powerful as any medical approach.

If you have a 90% foundation of trust with a patient and wind up at a stumped point where about to lose him -- and the mental generals and specifics being the most influential of all rubrics -- one can always pull out the voodoo or placebo in impressive, magician-like form in order to cheat and take the patient past that momentary hurdle.   But, you can usually fool them only once!  LOL   They'll only believe for once -- after suitable preparation - that you're giving them a dose of some supersecret tumor killer banned by the government.   And they'll believe it more if they must make some sort of daily pilgrimage factor for it; Some struggle to have it as a dose.  If you have them hypnotically primed like that, then you can ignite the fire of healing by the power of suggestion and trickery alone. And Dr. Weil's argument was that we ought not neglect that power for Placebo healing.  It can taint homeopathic credibility or make the patient mistrustful to know you use it, but I think not if you just explain that rarely you do but sometimes, yes, you do if thinking it may help, and that you never tell them until long after it's done.

Trick is figuring out what's Placebo and what's not in this world while the rest is all voodoo!  I always laugh at how all these amateurs in Science like to convey some sort of governance over what is and isn't proper science -- quoting Quantum Mechanical laws and all that -- while they're so full of it.  Nobody fully understands QM.  No scientist knows science, really.  It's all voodoo unknown at the core -- just like homeopathy!  LOL   It's all mystery, not preponderance of knowing, and being mystified is what it's all about.  Understanding everything everyone seeks, but they have no idea what an exponential misery that becomes to even approach it while living in this world.   The awe factor is what makes life awesome!  Tongue  It's not our enemy.  

The great joy I have with homeopathy is how she seduced me, and I think about that often like the day a man remembers meeting his wife, his children born, or even his dogs.   It's the awe part  -- that first meeting and mystification -- that is the scientist's Zen.  The wonder what it's all about, what will become of it, and where the path leads.  It's that childlike wonder we're supposed to maintain in order to keep our hearts closer to God.  When the wonder is gone, the man is nothing more than among the living dead, and yet he fails to see that as a scientist always in quest of being all-knowing;  All Gnostic.   No, the Bible is correct that knowledge is a curse and misery, and in the inverse is real happiness, I find.   

So maybe be not too hard on this Doc Emoto or the various goofy mystics in the world;  Most are never fully sane.  All exist fractured and detached from the world, "reality" here, and are more like absent-minded professors or creepy, hermetic science, witch doctors.  Never are there any "normal" monks and yogis who even give a hoot about complying with our perceptions, laws, and scientific standards.  The shamanistic path is always a blessing and curse, and I personally never dare sling curses at those deeply entrenched in their own voodoo.  Wink   Would be kinda like living in a glass house while chucking stones, me thinks!  Ouch  I have absolutely no right to look down upon anyone in the world as insane!  LOL












































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One of our lecturers did this  (not carc though)when a relative was ill and she couldn't get to her.
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Dear Stan,

Great big thanks to you for the long post - everything you wrote makes perfect sense to me. I've noticed this when I learn languages - at some point I just know how to say what I need to say, so it's the "connection" sensation - I know what you're talking about.

If you pay attention to what Hahnemann wrote in the Organon, the famous paragraph 9 - basically he is saying that our body is a sort of instrument for the higher purposes, but the whole idea seems to be that the higher purposes do require that the instrument be quite fine-tnued and advanced - one has to manage to remain whole when the totality opens up for them...

Voodoo - sorcellerie it's called in French and everyone knows just how good the Africans are with it - beware of the new president? (A joke, of course, but involvement of a grandmother in his upbringing certainly makes one wonder.)
 
I really cannot write much but I felt the need to thank you!

One thing I could suggest, maybe you will like to watch some movies of the Russian filmmaker, deceased of cancer at an early age - Andrei Tarkovsky - unless you know his works already, of course. "The Mirror" is my favourite, but "Stalker" (not meaning the stalker who stalk people - too many Hyos persons out there now?) is a bit closer to what you were writing in the post above. Just some distraction, and deepening the perception is to what his works might serve... "Andrei Rublev" - the origins of art and the struggle and pushing - and sudden birth, suddenly you just relax and it goes out in full shine - actually, this is really like birth of a child... Fractals are everywhere! Even in the spiritual realm.

As for Japanese, you know, after reading your post I (all of a sudden) understood that they were spoiled by introduction of Confucian teaching (it's not a religion, actually, but just a list of societal norms to be rigidly followed... that is, a "religion" that has lost its spiritual roots altogether, much worse than any other religion in the world...) , and losing the WW2 and being occupied by Americans who have brought the "making money at all costs" culture with them made the final blow, but the cracks where this would fit were already there, so it's not Westernisation that one has to blame for the disruption of the local society as is often done... Confucianism, which makes stress on "learning" just changed everything for Japanese - they were always the feeling/perceiving type, it seems to me, and some of their art still shows this, but when they are pressured to consciously acquire some "knowledge", being not whole enough, well, as anybody else is, but to a greater extent, I'm afraid, they just crack - and the society is on the path to extinction right now, maybe only to expose those traces, roots of "direct perception/connection" in its wake, as is to be hoped.

But I have to be back to my studies while the household of patients do not crowd me with their complaints or I'll just never finish my homeopathy course and start real practice of classical homeopathy!
 
Thanks again, always looking forward to more of your posts, as it's a real treat to read them!
 
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How one can edit one's posts?
 
By "American culture" in the post above, I meant the Post Great Depression "corporate culture", of course, not anything close to the culture on the whole, that is, the complex of the spiritual and material, present and past workings (achievements or otherwise) of the society as a whole...
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Google Homeopath "Peter CHappell" for more info on this subject......................................
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Sndlink, are you still there?  I said just take one dose!  One freakin' dose!  What if it really is Carc. 200C?  One dose is all you need!  It's all anyone would need.  Geez, I am getting so freaked out over all the reckless prescribing I run across.  Do you know what homeopathy's motto is?  "The Minimum Dose"!
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Thanks for the Dr. Chappell link, Gina.  I enjoyed reading of his website, bio, and work against pandemics, Avian Flu, AIDS, etc.   By the way, contact me through my email later and I'll tell you about an interesting testimony I heard awhile back from a former biochemist with one of the major Big Pharma companies gone naturopath.  Was disgruntled a long time ago that a certain drug very helpful to eradication of AIDS was not put on the market since it competed with the existing treatment drugs of partner firms. I don't want to mention that company's name publicly and the full facts of her testimony I have not personally verified, but I'm sad to say it's a pretty credible report.  Millions denied potential Allopathic cure mostly from a business decision not to put something forward.  Nothing says companies have to, of course.  Just very ugly.  Anyhow, we can yap on that more later.

Elena, I'm going to keep it short since we've totally hogged the thread away from Dave and Snoopy, and kinda gone off course.  I'm going to add you to my Buddy List here.  Same for Gina.  All this time and I haven't even started a Buddy List!  Tongue   So you're my first two friends here! Wink  If I can ever catch up on neglected things to do, stacks of things to research, projects awaiting, and enjoy movies and music within the next year or so....I have the Russian films on my list.  Could only skim Wikipedia and other summaries for now.  Sounds interesting.   Problem I have is that my head can only take so much at once.  I'm like a kid run loose in a candy store -- consuming everything until sick, and there's a saturation point where you just have to walk away and go toss hay to your goats.   Maybe sometime you can tell me more about this Obama voodoo granny thing?  That sounds funny!  LOL

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Oh!!  Wish you the best there with your experiment, Dave.   Please tell us how it goes and get yourself better treatment if it ain't working soon.   But, who knows!  Tongue

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Thanks for the Dr. Chappell link, Gina.  I enjoyed reading of his website, bio, and work against pandemics, Avian Flu, AIDS, etc...................................................................
 
 
Dear Stan,you are welcome
Yes I was curious to use one of Dr, Chappells forumla's the one for AIDS was sent to me to use in Indonesia while I was volunteering in a clinic. Dr.Mas purchased it and via pakistan it was supposed to arrive Indonesia. The package was ripped open and this remedy was missing? So I have no firsthand knowlege of Dr.Peter CHappels formulas.
 
 classical homeopathy does not use remedies for general symptoms.AKA; "remedy for headace-remedy for herpes-remedy for AIDS".
 it falls under isopathy and or Autopathy.His methods are complex,one needs thinking outside the box..........................................There is ALWAYS MORE TO LEARNLOL
 

 

Peter Chappell gave an interview to hpathy.com in August 2007.

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  • Peter Chappell Official Website :: Homeopath, Inventor, Visionary

    This website is a personal platform for myself to express my ideas and to keep people informed about what I am doing and where I am.
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  • Vitalremedies.com

    Peter Chappell is the person behind this breakthrough...............................
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    Yes, I remember your mention of that undelivered package and corruption of the mail system. Sad.  Better to talk in private on stuff like that, though. 

    I wasn't able to find it on his website, but is he doing some sort of remedy projection experiments, Rife radionics, multi-frequencies and combo remedies or something?

    And off I venture to another thread!  Tongue

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