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Say, I have a question for all of you. This relates a bit to ongoing discussions in some of the attached threads related to probiotics, cancer treatment, counter-viral measures, etc. Relevant threads: Phosphorous 12C Quickie Case Note -- Tremors Fix Okay, so Doc Quack has been fighting his own illness for 6 years and doing pretty well, but still something is missing. Homeopathy's helped a lot. Probiotics and anti-fungals have helped a lot. Still something missing. In the cancer thread, we've covered how Oregano tea may have an anti-biotic effect that destroys gut flora, yet I don't know on that. With Dr. Kaviraj in the biological warfare thread, we've talked about the allopathic destruction of gut flora. And I suspect my gut flora is still trashed. We're dealing with thousands of strains. A lifetime it took me to build up my pre-illness gut flora which is probably still trashed and never in balance. Homeopathic remedies I do not believe will ever correct that balance without providing some degree of re-innoculation. At the same time, most things on the commercial shelf are acidophillus, various strains, several strains at best. So, I'm wondering if anyone knows of the best and MOST COMPLETE probiotic re-innoculation methods out there? I was just thinking.....the other day I saved a baby goat out here whose mother didn't want it. I have 10 newborn kids -- 9 doelings, 1 buckling. They're all strong. I don't bottlefeed. They're all organic, grass-fed, pasture-grazed. I let them grow strong on the mother's milk only. This baby didn't get her milk and cholostrum in the first 12 hours. Almost lost her. Didn't notice the orphan status for awhile, so I took her inside, bottle fed with junk muck to at least get her strong (would have taken too long to catch and milk the adult does), and then I re-introduced her to her mother. In fact, I had to work on the mother for 2 days just to accept her orphan so I wouldn't be a mommy. Tied her down, fed her treats, and let the baby nurse. Put the mother in solitary confinement in a horse trailer for 24 hours until so darn lonely and miserable. Then, threw them together in the horse trailer for a night, so baby would be her only company among misery. And then they bonded after another day of tethered goat parole. Now they're fine. Baby is still weaker than the rest of the newborns, but on all mother's milk again. I want her gut flora well innoculated and that will take longer. Gut flora is a major, major issue to goats in the first few hours; for their multiple stomachs are all one big vat! Anyhow, so I'm thinking, I don't really know any better form of probiotic than mothers milk, but I'm 36 years too late for that!   Short of finding myself some cute wet nurse to suckle or being thrown out of some Maternal Breastfeeding bar while trying to buy a drink, you guys got any ideas on how I can best replenish those thousands of strains that are probably killed off on me and which the remedies can't do? Should I join on with my dog in eating goat poop straight off the pasture?  Should I go out, roll in the dirt, play in the garden, never wash my hands, and then suck on my thumb? I think I'd much rather take up breastfeeding!  |
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Dear Stan This is not my area of expertise at all, but naturopaths are moving towards the re-establishment of PREbiotic colonies that the PRObiotics depend upon. The idea being that unless you have a healthy quota of PREBiotics you will continually need to take PRObiotics as a supplement. Also a bentonite clay and psyillium husk bowel detox can be very beneficial. The clay and husks are taken in a pint of water & fruit juice twice each day. The clay expands in the intestines and the psyllium husks act a bit like a scourer as it passes through the system. After about a month of this your intestinal tract will be squeaky clean, and bright and shiny as a new pin! Then you can work on establishing healthy colonies of gut flora. |
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furryboots
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Gut Flora is a huge subject and is species specific.
I have only a few minutes so a summary of my thoughts and views, not especially well sorted out - just tossed in off the cuff to hopefully provide a direction of thought: 1. The most important part of correct gut flora is the correct food for the gut flora. Once you provide that, then you need only one or a few organisms to get the colony going successfully. So the belief that probiotics are the main way to "get good gut bacteria" is incorrect. The care and feeding of beneficial bacteria is actually the most important. They will then out-compete the ones that are not desirable. 2. The gut environment is different for different species. Even relatively similar ones like cats and dogs have very different environment (pH, speed of food travel, type of food, etc) and therefore different beneficial gut flora like the specific conditions of a species. 3. Following on that point, the different bacteria also have different food preferences - very different nutrition requirements for that gut flora. 4. Different intestinal length and number of stomachs, provides multiple environments in one species, and EACH environment (or part of the intestinal tract) has its own unique combinations of flora that are ideal for health. So "acidophuilus" is by no means the answer to intestinal health. Step one is the right food for the bacteria of the species in question. Step two is to quit eating things that destroy the bacteria. Adding the right bacteria is more tricky, and can help but is less relevant. Example: Cats need an acid environment high in in the small intestine, normally loaded with clostridium in such numbers as would be considered serious ill health in most other species even dogs. But that is the norm for them. Cat beneficial bacteria are mainly lower down in the small intestine, and are not in the lactobacillus family (of which acidophilus is a member). There is logic to this. Cats are lactose intolerant after weaning, and lactobacillus eat milk. So using milk eating bacteria in a species that does not tolerate milk, is not logical or effective. For cats also, since their liver does not enable them to extract nutrients from fruit and vegetables, they need their bacteria to do it for them (making their gut bacteria that much more important) and also to especially to make butyrate, acetate and propionate for organ support. The right bacterial loads WILL develop if their feeding substrate is right AND if the diet is right. For example if a cat eats enough meat (not soy protein), it's gut bacteria can make more butyrate, and not a disproportionate amount of propionate or acetate. This will occur if the diet includes rice bran or beet fiber as they are the two best researched "fermentable fibers" for a cat's beneficial gut bacteria, of the twenty fibers researched so far. Feeding the wrong fermentable fiber for cats actually helps the wrong bacteria to oust the good ones. Dogs can use different fermentable fibers - for example lactulose is fermentable in the canine gut but not the feline one. However is it TOO fermentable and will speed food through before other nutrients can be fully absorbed. A moderately fermentable fiber for the species, is best. Lactulose is not fermented by beneficial cat bacteria and if you feed it to them they get painful gut cramps. They need rice bran or beet fiber. Bottom line: Get the bacterial food right first. The bacteria will follow. 5. It helps to supply some PABA (Para Amino Benzoic acid) as the beneficial gut bacteria (of all species) need some to make nutrients, along with the fermentable fiber. After a month or so you can quit the PABA as the bacteria will make their own once well established. [Without PABA, or the right bacteria, the first deficiency may be folic acid deficiency as PABA is used in making folic. This is why cats eat grass - to get some folic when the gut bacteria are AWOL] ..........Irene |
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Well, thank you, thank you, thank you to you two for raining on my parade!!! I was just finishing up here interviewing some potential wet nurses as part of my new treatment strategy! Seriously, though, thank you very much for your insights. You give me much to think about and explore. So, Irene, do you think that -- no matter how my guts may have been trashed in the past with perhaps excess chlorine and a little childhood antibiotics -- that just returning the feeding balance properly should get the ecology back in order over time if there are still residual colonies in the guts? Theoretically, one shouldn't need worry about re-innoculation too much. Where Sim's suggestion of scrubbing the guts might seem to destroy flora, probably there are still residual colonies in ever fold of the intestines, etc. You can't scrub everything. I see this issue with water filtration in my well. Ample sulphur and iron bacteria present prior to the filters. I use 1 micron filters. Generally, you just keep backflushing and rinsing them off until the muck comes off. As water pressure to the house drops, you put in a new fiber filter. I can scrub that filter clean, but the colony regrows. I can even chlorinate it, and still the colony returns; The latter returning from supply by the well. What they feed upon is iron and sulphur in the water. You can kill them all, but so long as the water comes through, so does the food and the bacteria. Okay, so we know how to: 1) Beat yeast/fungi/bacteria back into rough balance. 2) To destroy breeding grounds for the bad stuff and input the good foods. 3) Logically, going to organic veggies ought to get that soil bacteria going again. 4) But, doing all that, I'd still like to know what would help in the shortest time to get the maximum replenishment of optimum gut flora. ...Not that I'm fixated on breastfeeding still , but things like this I consider:http://www.physorg.com/news151172950.html Scientists have known for some time that a certain subspecies of bacteria quickly colonize the gastrointestinal tracts of breast-fed infants, playing an important role not only in the digestive process but also in keeping out harmful microorganisms. Interestingly, these beneficial bacteria, known as Bifidobacterium longum supsp. infantis, feed on specific sugars in human milk that are nutritionally of no use to the baby. In hopes of better understanding the molecular mechanisms and networks that make possible this functional alliance between the baby, the bacteria and the mother’s milk, a team of researchers, led by scientists at the University of California, Davis, recently published a sequencing of the genome — an analysis all of the genes and related DNA — of B. longum subsp. infantis. Through sequencing the genome, the researchers identified gene clusters that appear to equip these bacteria to make use of the sugars in human breast milk. They also identified another cluster of genes that control production of enzymes that enable the bacteria to capture milk-borne urea — an important source of nitrogen — from the baby’s bowel. This recycling of the urea to salvage nitrogen is significant because the protein concentration in human breast milk is often too low to supply all of the nitrogen needed for the rapid growth of a newborn baby. “In short, the genome sequencing revealed that the “It is obvious that human milk has been evolutionarily refined through the millennia to retain highly beneficial properties,” he said. “The result is a fluid that is so valuable to the infant that it more than justifies the energy costs to the mother to produce it.” Collaborating with Mills were researchers from UC Davis; the U.S. Department of Energy’s Joint Genome Institute in Walnut Creek, Calif.; and the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s National Center for Agricultural Utilization Research in Peoria, Ill. The genome sequencing study was funded by the National Institutes of Health, the University of California, the California Dairy Research Foundation and the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Provided by UC Davis______________ ...I joke on the breast thing, but we goat farmers are basically perverts out here focused on and fondling goat boobs all the time! And there is no better food for the goat baby. You can take a sickly one and put it on any goat mother, and chances are what's in that milk will help the kid do well. It is a medicine for goats of any age. So, heresy and taboo as it may sound, what about for people? Maybe we should be making new forms of probiotic supplement from prime human breast milk is what I'm wondering? Whoops...I can't patent that one. Looks like others already had the idea: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Milk+therapy:+breast-milk+compounds+could+be+a+tonic+for+adult+ills-a0156002012 Milk therapy: breast-milk compounds could be a tonic for adult ills.Catharina Svanborg thought that she already knew how remarkable breast milk is. The immunologist had logged hundreds of lab hours documenting ways in which human milk helps babies fight infections. But when the group decided to use cancerous lung cells to avoid the variability shown by normal cells in laboratory tests, Svanborg and her team at Lund University in Sweden were in for a surprise. They applied breast milk to the cancerous lung cells, and all the cells died. Breast milk killed cancer cells. NOTE: Sort of a Carcinosin relation here! "From that moment on, we've been working with it," Svanborg says. Svanborg's serendipitous ser·en·dip·i·ty n. pl. ser·en·dip·i·ties 1. The faculty of making fortunate discoveries by accident. 2. The fact or occurrence of such discoveries. 3. An instance of making such a discovery. discovery of human milk's anticancer power is remarkable, but other researchers have also been finding that breast milk can both protect against and heal a remarkable variety of ailments. Perhaps these properties shouldn't be surprising: Of the thousands of substances that people eat, breast milk is the only one that evolved under natural pressure to keep people healthy. Research teams are now learning to exploit its tricks for purposes well beyond feeding babies. Components of breast milk are being developed as drugs that fight viruses and bacteria. A particular target is diarrhea, which kills about 2.2 million people every year, mostly children in developing countries. Other milk compounds may be added to food tote_ads(2,1) improve digestion. Some milk components might fight medical conditions ranging from arthritis to septic shock Septic Shock Definition Septic shock is a potentially lethal drop in blood pressure due to the presence of bacteria in the blood. Description Septic shock is a possible consequence of bacteremia, or bacteria in the bloodstream. . .....Oh boy do I know this one personally, and how it feels. Awful. Although some of these compounds are found in milk from other animals, others occur only in human milk, and the nonhuman versions are generally less potent in people. This presents a challenge, since human-breast milk is not available for sale. ....Oh, I'll get hold of it somehow!!! To be a little less freaky, I guess I could just borrow someone's baby and rent a wet nurse! So, researchers are developing new sources for the compounds, including genetically modified bacteria, rice, goats, and cows. The potential for therapies derived from milk is "enormous, absolutely tremendous," says Marian Kruzel, an immunologist at the University of Texas Medical School in Houston. GOOD BUGS AND BAD BUGS The protective properties of mother's milk have long been apparent. Breast-fed breast·feed or breast-feed v. breast-fed , breast-feed·ing, breast-feeds v.tr. To feed (a baby) mother's milk from the breast; suckle. v.intr. To breastfeed a baby. babies, for instance, get diarrhea half as often as infants who are fed formula do. Decades ago, scientists began wondering how breast milk stops the pathogens that cause diarrhea. In the 1950s, Lars Hanson, an immunologist at Goteborg University in Sweden, started to solve the puzzle. He found that mothers produce antibodies in their milk and that way pass on to their babies immunities that the women had acquired over their lifetimes. But the antibodies in breast milk didn't explain all the observations. For example, breast-fed babies have different bacteria in their guts than formula-fed babies do. The breast feeders harbor more of the beneficial, food-digesting bacteria, such as acidophilus Acidophilus The bacteria called Lactobacillus acidophilus that is usually found in yogurt. Mentioned in: Balanitis, Blastomycosis, Coccidioidomycosis, Histoplasmosis, Sporotrichosis acidophilus, n and bifidus, as well as less of the coliform coliform /col·i·form/ (kol´i-form) pertaining to fermentative gram-negative enteric bacilli, sometimes restricted to those fermenting lactose, e.g., Escherichia, Klebsiella, or Enterobacter. Escherichia coli Escherichia coli (ĕsh'ərĭk`ēə kō`lī), common bacterium that normally inhabits the intestinal tracts of humans and animals, but can cause infection in other parts of the body, especially the urinary tract. and other germs that can make infants sick. When scientists started analyzing breast milk, they found that the third-largest constituent of breast milk, making up about 1 percent by volume, is a mixture of indigestible in·di·gest·i·ble adj. Difficult or impossible to digest: an indigestible meal. in sugars known as oligosaccharides oligosaccharides (ol´igōsak´  rīdz),n. . Many of these sugars occur only in human milk. Initially, the scientists thought that these were useless by-products of milk production. But why would mothers expend so much energy creating compounds that their babies can't use? In the past few years, scientists have solved this puzzle. David Newburg, of Massachusetts General Hospital Massachusetts General Hospital Health care The major teaching hospital for Harvard Medical School, widely regarded as one of the best health care centers in the world in Charlestown and his colleagues genetically engineered genetically engineered adjective Recombinant, see there mice to produce oligosaccharides in their milk. He then gave their pups campylobacter Campylobacter Genus of gram-negative spiral-shaped bacteria infecting mammals. Many species, especially C. fetus, cause miscarriage in sheep and cattle. C. jejuni is a common cause of food poisoning. Sources include meats (particularly chicken) and unpasteurized milk. ..... Click the link for more information., a bacterium that causes diarrhea. The pups that drank oligosaccharides didn't get sick. Unlike the antibodies that mothers pass along to their infants through breast milk, oligosaccharides can protect the baby from pathogens to which the mother has never been exposed. For a pathogen to infect a person via the digestive tract digestive tract n. See alimentary canal. Digestive tract The organs that perform digestion, or changing of food into a form that can be absorbed by the body. , it first has to latch on to the sugars that line the gut wall. Oligosaccharides have binding sites that are identical to the ones on the gut-wall sugars, so the pathogens attach to the oligosaccharides instead of to the lining of the gut. Once bound to oligosaccharides, pathogens travel harmlessly through the intestinal tract. Surprisingly, bacteria that aid digestion prosper in the presence of oligosaccharides. Bruce German, a nutritionist nu·tri·tion·ist n. One who is trained or is an expert in the field of nutrition. nutritionist Dietitian, see there at the University of California, Davis The University of California, Davis, commonly known as UC Davis, is one of the ten campuses of the University of California, and was established as the University Farm in 1905. , proposes that only the beneficial bacteria digest some of the oligosaccharides, thereby gaining an advantage over the harmful bacteria. This theory is controversial, however. German says that the beneficial microbes' advantage is a natural consequence of the coevolution co·ev·o·lu·tion n. The evolution of two or more interdependent species, each adapting to changes in the other. It occurs, for example, between predators and prey and between insects and the flowers that they pollinate. of breast milk and gut bacteria. Oligosaccharides occur in thousands of slightly different forms, and the precise mix of types of oligosaccharides varies from woman to woman. Those who produced breast milk with oligosaccharides that only beneficial bacteria can eat must have had an evolutionary advantage. German notes that because of this evolutionary process, some bacteria in human digestive tracts are found nowhere else on Earth. "What milk did is recruit an entire life form to protect the infant," German says. "To me, that's pretty inspiring stuff." German and other scientists want to leverage that protection for babies that aren't breast-fed and for adults too. Oligosaccharides might augment elderly people's weakened natural protection against pathogens. After people have taken strong antibiotics, the sugars could help them recolonize Re`col´o`nize v. t. 1. To colonize again. their digestive tracks with beneficial bacteria. Foreign travelers or military personnel who expect to be exposed to unfamiliar pathogens could take oligosaccharides as a preventive measure. Newburg expects that as bacteria continue to develop resistance to antibiotics, oligosaccharides will be increasingly important for fighting pathogens. "This is a totally different type of defense against pathogens that mammals have been using for thousands of years, and it still works," Newburg says. He suggests that bacteria can't evolve a resistance to oligosaccharides because if they change in such a way that they no longer bind to the oligosaccharide oligosaccharide: see carbohydrate. oligosaccharide Any carbohydrate with a few (between 3 and about 6 to 10) units of simple sugars (monosaccharides). A wide variety of oligosaccharides are made by partially breaking down polysaccharides. , they also can't bind to the cell wall to infect their targets. "The mechanisms for protection in milk are so exquisite," Newburg marvels. Procuring a supply of oligosaccharides for preventive or therapeutic treatments presents a challenge. Newburg is working to genetically engineer E. coli E. coli: see Escherichia coli. E. coli in full Escherichia coli Species of bacterium that inhabits the stomach and intestines. E. coli can be transmitted by water, milk, food, or flies and other insects. bacteria to produce the sugars. "What motivates me personally is the large number of babies in the Third World who have diarrhea," Newburg says. Oligosaccharides added to formula could protect babies who don't receive breast milk. BIOENGINEERING MILK Getting bacteria to produce human oligosaccharides would be only the first step toward Newburg's vision. For protection against infections, people would have to eat substantial amounts of oligosaccharides regularly. So, to make supplements for adults or for baby formula, bacteria would need to produce oligosaccharides in large quantities and at low cost. On the other hand, genetic engineering of larger organisms has already produced inexpensive and abundant supplies of two other human-breast-milk compounds: lysozyme lysozyme: see immunity. Lysozyme An enyme that was first identified and named by Alexander Fleming, who recognized its bacteriolytic properties. and lactoferrin lactoferrin (lak´tōfer´in), n an iron-binding protein found in the specific granules of neutrophils where it apparently exerts an antimicrobial activity by withholding iron from ingested bacteria and fungi. . In 1998, scientists genetically engineered a goat to excrete excrete /ex·crete/ (eks-kret´) to throw off or eliminate by a normal discharge, such as waste matter. ex·crete v. To eliminate waste material from the body. lysozyme in its milk, and in 2002, another team created one variety of rice that produces human lysozyme and another variety that yields human lactoferrin. Also in 2002, a team engineered a cow to produce human lactoferrin. As a result, researchers are for the first time performing large-scale clinical trials of lactoferrin and lysozyme. Lactoferrin is a dazzlingly multitalented protein. In breast-fed babies, it can appropriately suppress inflammation or boost immune activity. It also fights viruses, bacteria, and fungi. Even after the protein has broken down in the gut, the fragments fight urinary-tract infections as they are expelled from the body. Because lactoferrin lowers the immune system's inflammatory overreactions, it may be useful against arthritis, multiple sclerosis, and septic shock. In 1998, when researchers treated piglets with lactoferrin before inducing septic shock, the compound reduced mortality to less than one-fourth of that in untreated piglets. In 2001, another group showed that treating rats in septic shock with lactoferrin dramatically reduced blood-toxin concentrations. The many claims for lactoferrin's capabilities "may look suspicious," admits Michal Zimecki, an immunologist at the Polish Academy of Sciences The Polish Academy of Sciences, headquartered in Warsaw, is one of two Polish institutions, having the nature of an academy of sciences. History The Polish Academy of Sciences (Polish: Polska Akademia Nauk, abbreviated PAN in Wroclaw. Lactoferrin "seems like a golden bullet, but it really is so." Lysozyme is, by comparison, a one-trick pony: It chews up bacterial cell walls. However, its trick is fine-tuned. Lysozyme selectively destroys deleterious bacteria, usually leaving the beneficial ones unharmed. At a clinic in Peru, Bo Lonnerdal, a nutritionist at the University of California, Davis, recently conducted a trial of a combination of lactoferrin and lysozyme against diarrhea. The standard treatment for acute diarrhea in children there is simple rehydration rehydration /re·hy·dra·tion/ (-hi-dra´shun) the restoration of water or fluid content to a patient or to a substance that has become dehydrated. re·hy·dra·tion n. 1. with a solution of sugar and salt. Lonnerdal added his two compounds to the solution given to half the children treated. Those who received lactoferrin and lysozyme, he found, recovered more quickly and were less prone to a repeat bout of the disease. The study is scheduled to appear in an upcoming Journal of Pediatric pediatric /pe·di·at·ric/ (pe?de-at´rik) pertaining to the health of children. pe·di·at·ric adj. Of or relating to pediatrics. Gastroenterology and Nutrition. KILLER MILK As outlandish as lactoferrin's potential may seem, it is perhaps even stranger to think that breast milk components could cure cancer. Once Svanborg and her team had established that something in breast milk was killing human cancer cells in the lab, they isolated the assassin. It turned out to be the protein alpha-lactalbumin. But the compound becomes lethal only when exposed to acid, as it is in a stomach and was in the lab. The acid unfolds the alpha lactalbumin lac·tal·bu·min n. The albumin contained in milk and obtained from whey. lactalbumin (lak´talbū´min), n a simple, highly nutritious protein found in milk. Lactalbumin is similar to serum albumin. protein into a havoc-wreaking form. Svanborg dubbed the acidified acidified /acid·i·fied/ (ah-sid´i-fid) having been made acid. form of the protein HAMLET, for human alpha-lactalbumin made lethal to tumors. Cancer cells take up far more HAMLET than healthy cells do. The huge quantities of unfolded proteins destroy the cancer cells. Svanborg found that HAMLET killed 40 kinds of tumor cells in lab dishes. She has also studied the reactive compound in rats with human-cancer cells implanted in their brains. She used an invasive cancer called glioblastoma glioblastoma /glio·blas·to·ma/ (gli?o-blas-to´mah) any malignant astrocytoma. glioblastoma multifor´me that usually kills people in less than a year. She injected HAMLET directly into the tumors of some of the rats, while others received injections of alpha-lactalbumin that hadn't been activated by acid. After 7 weeks, the rats getting inactive protein bore tumors seven times, on average, as large as the tumors in the HAMLET-treated rats, the researchers reported in 2004. Svanborg has also found that HAMLET reduces warts in people. Warts and tumors share the property of growing without respect to normal controls. HAMLET reduced the volume of more than 95 percent of the warts to which it was applied, whereas only 20 percent of warts treated with a placebo decreased in size. Svanborg is currently concluding human trials of HAMLET for bladder cancer. She says that her results "look very good," and that the treatment produced no side effects. Pharmaceutical companies are now developing the activated protein for clinical use. Hanson, the first scientist to isolate immune antibodies from breast milk, says that HAMLET is "quite a discovery," especially since it seems to be effective against so many kinds of cancer. He cautions, though, that "the crucial thing will be the clinical studies." Whether or not breast milk turns out to be the source of a potent cancer therapy, its remarkable properties have led to a new view of its role. "My thinking on milk has changed totally," says Newburg. "I used to think of it as the best source of nutrients. Now, it's looking like milk is really designed to be protective." Soon, that protection may extend to the rest of us. ---------------------------- ...Well, so I am just thinking that, if these things are recently discovered, what else has the allopath not learned that is beneficial and hidden in breast milk that is perhaps useful to recolonization of gut flora? For mothers who want to breast feed, but cannot they have clubs out there and even breast milk banks. Can you imagine it? "Excuse me. My name is Dr. Quack. I am researching your breasts and the value of breast milk. I drink a glass per day of the stuff myself, and I have clients who would like to buy about 50 gallons per month from your dairy!" Oh man, I can hear the allopaths and skeptics screaming bloody murder now! |
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Very interesting thread here, something to learn for all.
never guessed that mother's milk is that potent. Of course i knew it is the best for babies, but here you give us all a new insight. Thanx! 
as for your goat not accepting the doe: Rub the doe in the mother;s urine. she will accept it without hesitation. if not, use the urine of another goat - she will then accept it. I have done this with cows and calves, when they get rejected by momma. always had good results. |
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Thanks Dr. K! I did not think of that. A great trick I will share with my local goat rancher mentor.So now I am a merry breast fondler, a breast milk guzzler, and a collector of goat piss?! Does the quack insanity never end?!!! You know, this could lead to a very serious drinking problem! Breast Milkaholics Anonymous meetings?! |
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Say, where's that Gimpy? You seen him around, Dr. K?  As long as we're pulling his hair and beating up on the little snot  while sending him back to his mommy in tears , for compassion's sake, we ought to at least teach the infant to suckle! http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=9007&PID=83655#83655 Don't cry, Gimpy!! I have another tissue paper for you. Dry your eyes, little girl!!!! |
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Yes, sometimes the mother dies after delivery of the calf.
Then i have used another cow's urine to have her accept a calf that is not hers. never any problems in acceptance. |
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You know, I think I have come to figure it out why Gimpy is so hostile. Like our calves and goats, he may have been born illegitimate and unwanted? So sad. Keeping on topic: If you don't let your children suckle, they wind up like Gimpy and all the rest. Therefore, I think we must keep pissing on Gimpy and maybe some of the idiot cows of cyberspace might actually take to nursing him. |
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Dear Doc Quack,
Your Gimpy and its mother may just need a dose or two of Lach 200C. Apart from the mentals implied by your posts, this is my fallback remedy for having mother and offspring accept each other. .........Irene
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...Lachesis, indeed! Jealous. Religious insanity. Trembling and confusion in the presence of Dr. K and Doc Quack. Sad; No desire to mix with the world; Vertigo....after  by the tag team. Intense excitement of sexual organs...while blogging in their Gimpy underwear at how horrible is homeopathy. Palpitation; Fainting spells.....which would explain the odd silence. Sleepiness, yet cannot sleep....due to nagging conscience knowing they'll burn in hell. Sensation as if eyes were drawn together by cords which were tied in a knot at root of nose (by Dr. K)  Bloody nose ....courtesy Doc Quack. Oh, by the way, the gentleman in me ought to apologize for having the ladies around this place hear all that , but this Gimpy is an elusive fish of allopathic propaganda deviousness which seeks to enslave the world and kill more innocent people. There is no polite debate with people like this. When the opportunity to bloody his nose presented itself, that's just too much fun! Gina is no longer here to pacify the monster duck  (http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=8935) while I have rather enjoyed this "Albert Junior" gig (http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=8932)? It is time to remedy the monster rubric, however. Hmmmm.....for a "fascist" place run by tyrant "Brahmins" who "all suck for air", "wear horns", and "should all be sent back to Hell" (as Albert Senior; Hahnemanian444 alleges), I am shocked that Hpathy.com has tolerated my scandalous Albert Junior act for so long. |
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We know your Albert junior act is not really serious, but it would be good if you could return to your own ways and leave the 'Alberting' alone..
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I would actually prefer to keep it up! But, in all honesty, even cultivated anger/ excitement/ intensity/ laughter/ giggles aggravates my tummy with more acid burn. Mostly, the rainy days here are passing on. The sunshine is coming out. I have a long list of neglected personal, farm, and project things to complete while the Hpathy fun was nice while waiting for some parts to arrive. My posting will probably taper out over the next couple weeks. Will fade to zero for awhile, and, by the time I return, I will have probably forgotten that I was ever Albertian at all. Sure was fun beating up on Gimpy! He's like an obnoxious gopher tearing up your lawn that you just can't get at...and then, one day, you're out shoveling in the garden while the little puke dares pop up his head when you're planting brand new flowers and have a shovel in your hand. The animal lovers say you should install noisemakers and discouraging things that are kind and gentle to Mr. Gopher, but a shovel to the head or gopher poison does just fine, too. Maybe you tear up your whole lawn and come off like an Elmer Fudd fool for wasting all that time and energy going after a stinkin' gopher....ah, but when you've got his head up sticking out of the hole and he doesn't see it coming.....it feels sooooooo darn good to just squash it! |
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Irene, Would this be appropriate in cases where there was a failure to produce oxytocin and the correct biochemistry wasn't there? When, say...a mother wanted to connect but simply wasn't able to? TIA! To Doc Quack...I have facilitated mother's milk being delivered to several cancer patients. It's always an option....even this late in the game. Just find someone you trust as the fresher the better (my guess is you already knew that....) As Irene stated already optimizing the environment will allow the proper flora to flourish. Best of luck! |
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Hi Firefly, Thanks for the info. Say, so how are those cancer patients doing on the breast milk? Any data would be appreciated. You know, I posted this thread more as a curious and comical thought, but also somewhat serious. After looking into the matter a little more, I discovered that this whole breastfeeding thing among adults is actually a popular past-time and fetish! There are actually people out there into S&M sex and all that who enjoy breastfeeding!  Grown men who want to be breastfed, not for the health of it, but just because they like it along with being spanked and whipped. I was reading an article and cracking up....near choked to death on my lunch and spit up all over the keyboard ... when I read of some guy out there who has a fetish for drinking a glass of breast milk per day, or something like that! (Just like I noted in my earlier joke.) It ain't me, I swear! Apparently, the pregnant mommy clubs are pissy because these guys come in pretending to be women or having infants. Then, I was reading about these rental wetnurses and allegations of their exploitation. Some lady with a real funny-sounding name....something like Helga.....a vision of a 300 pound housemaid with a strong German accent and able to heave 50 gallon drums with one arm...saying something like: "Ya. Ya. Da. Farfignugen. I like to breastfeed master's baby. He is little girly man visout my master race milk. I make him good and strong. I sweep. I clean. I keep house for zem and I feed baby, too. Baby grow big and strong. Yum yum. Supreme race. Uber Child I shall make him for ze Fatherland!" And I recalled my ranch hand's story of this german woman married to his friend who would chuck full, 50 gallon drums into the back of their truck as if nothing! I'm thinking: "Hmm....maybe I should reconsider breastfeeding; for Helga there sounds like she could snap my neck if I nibble too hard!"Frankly, the thought of it makes me want to puke.  And most these ladies selling their breast milk to the pervs are not really anyone whose breast milk I'd want! Yucko! Germs! Virii!! I know. I know, Dr. K. There are no effects from germs, only dropped vitality, but still! Yucko! When I brought up this thread, I was thinking more like a few squirts from a clean, happy, healthy "cow" or a whole healthy herd into a pitri dish for continual cultivation in a lab; Top quality probiotics of broad spectrum more so than presently exists. No suckle factor, really. No, I only do so when the Hollywood movie starlets pay millions for my stud services!  By capsule in small quantities I could probably stomach it -- especially if knowing the source clean, lab cultivated and screened, and that it would help with re-innoculation of the gut flora. In fact, I might even seriously look into it or encourage labs to try it, but I'd much rather down a beer than a glass of breast milk. That could be just my own imagination run rampant. I dunno how it is. Is it like 2% low fat milk or what? I was a baby back then. Just like Gimpy, not even breast fed much. Why not? I dunno. Granny told mama it was bad for infant health or something, and she actually listened. I guess back then the whole bottlefeeding thing was trendy, encouraged, whatever. Weird. Perhaps this is a reason I find myself forced to live a life of suckling Hollywood starlets in order to feel loved while Gimpy is out there nibbling on who knows what! In any case, the whole human glass of breast milk thing just conjures up a vision of some thick milk that tastes nasty and is just pukey to me. Oh, I guess I could stomach it for my health -- particularly if from a bikini beauty -- but it makes me cringe, in all honesty. I've eaten crickets, grubs, ants, and worms before but they're not half bad cooked. But, the whole breast milk thing is like these people who drink their own urine in order to recycle nutrients. It's like how I felt when I looked in the goat pasture and observed my dog thrilled to eat a goat placenta. Ick! Grown men turned from that sight here and near puked. I know breast milk has benefits, but I'm already so quack. I'll take the glass of breast milk, I guess, and Gimpy can have a glass of urine. But, talk of these things is just too crazy. Anyhow, I kind of favor Irene's idea on optimized gut environment and maybe then a couple breast milk capsules cultivated and screened in a lab for their bacterial cultures. That wouldn't make me puke by capsule. That I guess I could purchase under my lab while not scaring pregnant women like some fetish freak. When they bash me for it or Pentagon and FBI dweebs read of it in my file, that's too cool a scandal on my record. I love it! Kindly write it to my file any spooks reading this. I can hear it now: "Oh, that Dr. Quack....yeah, he purchases breast milk and experiments in breasts. He has a whole harem of gorgeous Hollywood cows actually paying him for squirting into his pitri dishes under the guise of serious medical research. What a racket!! Hell, we're in the wrong business, gentlemen! Maybe he's not so quack after all? This is a great racket!" Yeaeeeeeeeah!!!!!! Where's my milking bucket and chair? Mooooooo!!! Give me another from the tap, bartender! On the rocks; Shaken, not stirred. Toss in a green olive while you're at it. I, Dr. Quack.....founder of Hollywood Breast Milk Probiotics, Inc. Oh man. This whole thing reminds me of a story I remember in the news years ago. Something about a guy suing a strip club because a stripper squirt him, and it "traumatized" him. What a Gimpy crybaby! You know, Dr. K, come to think of it: we could just do this the cheap way? Get a couple dollar bills, your cow equipment, my goat buckets, a keg of beer, and find the nearest seedy night club! I'm thinking we could do a whole microbrewery line for perverts? Breast Milk Light Ale. Dark Breast Milk Lager. 101 Proof Wild Turkey Breast Milk. Beechwood aged, distilled spirit Breast Milk. It's got sugar in it, right? So, let's ferment the muck, eh? It could be kinda like Tuba in the islands? Sweet, healthy for you, re-innoculates the guts, gets you drunk, too! Already contraband for sale. Got all the profitability factors there. We could do like an MLM franchise thing? Breast Milk cheese on my pizza. In my salad. In my soap. Maybe even made into biodiesel to help save the planet? It could be a whole, new, cottage industry to uplift world economies! And, we'd have to personally inspect the herd, of course! Oh man. Albert, see what you've turned me into? 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Doc, you wanna produce mammenthaler cheese?
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Irene
If mother does not accept her offspring, what also is a good method is to rub the cub in mother's urine. Works every time. if mother dies during birth, rub the cub in another mother's urine and she will accept it - without fail. Kaviraj. |
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Doc Quack, I don't have any data to share at the moment. I have simply been the one procuring and delivering. I do the same for mother-baby dyads where baby's unable to nurse or mother's unable to lactate. Since I am generally able to do this I was asked to do so for several cancer patients as well. My only request when I do is that I am able to let the mothers donating know the situation to which they are donating. I haven't come across an issue yet, but pumping is a demanding and inconvenient things and some may be willing to do so for an infant, but not an adult. I would share more if I could! I also know that plenty of people are using human milk as a therapy for damaged guts. If you *can* get some, toss it in your morning smoothie and see how it goes! Oh, and FYI...I'm quite certain that there are MANY labs on it already. Mainly so they can claim the added benefits of formula which is now boasting XYZ *JUST LIKE BREASTMILK!* The only problem is the many thousands of components inherent to the substance which will never be replicated because even in it's natural state it is dynamic and changes from feeding to feeding, never mind from day to day. But I'd say that you won't have to wait long before something is extracted and patented. Be patient. Oh and there was a GREAT skit on a show years ago where people went to a market and were giving out cheese samples telling people they were made from human milk. Hilarioius. Some actually did take them! Don't' worry though, friend. Your aversion is natural. You are past the biological age of weaning. |
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Hi Firefly,
Thank you for the information anyhow and thanks for making the thread more serious. The whole issue is so taboo and comical for adults, but I think really has great potential to heal. I see it all the time in goats. Just a couple weeks ago, I had a runt born. The mom is half pygmy/ half Boer. The dad a giant Boer buck. I need to cull her from the herd, though, as she's too small to breed with the big guy. Pygmies in the flock downsize the herd which is okay by me. Makes for a tougher goat; More obnoxious and smart, too. But, Boers are fast growers in the womb and outside of it. Last full pygmy impregnanted by the big guy I had to take in for a C-section. Vet pulled a giant, dead Boer out of her. She's living a cozy retired life as a pet now on another farm. Got rid of my pygmy buck and all pygmies. This remaining girl is half, so the kid didn't near kill her but her labor was difficult. It got stuck on the way out. I had to pull it. Between the difficult labor and being a new mommy coupled with being obnoxious pygmy...mama didn't want to nurse. Had to take baby inside to keep it alive. Didn't have any cholostrom on-hand (which they need in the first few hours or they'll die). No goat milk in the freezer. Totally unprepared since they kidded early this year. Had to go with 50% evaporated milk from the can and 50% water. It'll kill them about 50% of the time if weak and frail, I find. At least with mine. Other goat ranchers with different breeds do well with it. The stronger ones tolerate it and strengthen on cow milk just enough to nurse. But, I always try to get them right back on the mothers. To date, I've never bottlefed a kid out here for longer than 3 to 4 days. Mom didn't want to take her, so I locked her in the horse trailer until loney enough and then tossed in baby. Then, they bonded. Had to hold or tie her down so baby could catch up and nurse to her. ...But, all in all, it's amazing to me each time to watch the difference between junk milk and natural, mother's milk. No homeopathy used. No medicine given. This baby was so frail. Underweight. Even when stronger, I wondered about her; for she sort of hobbled slowly all the time the last couple weeks. But, stronger each day and the warmer weather is returning, too. Just continual nursing from mama. All that probiotic re-innoculation of the guts. All that healthy fat and sugars. She's getting more meaty now. She runs now. Balance and agility are good. I watch her running with and playing the other rough and tough kids rather than keeping away from them. Haven't seen her skipping and leaping onto things just yet, but soon. That's when I know they're fine. Goats are funny. They love to climb. When the kids get playful, excited, angry, or scared....they dance like ballerinas or flying cats. I have a couple old 50 gallon drums on their side which they love to hop on, dance upon, and roll around. They shove each other off, hop back on, and love to leap. When I see her atop the barrel....she's fully cured. For now, running fast and skipping will do. All that from the probiotics and nutrients of real breast milk as different from just grass, grain, or anything else. ....Goats are a classic testament as to breast milk's value; for, without it, they die anywhere from slowly to rapidly. Lots of people bottlefeed kids to tame them, but it makes no sense to me. They do all these allopathic things -- vitamins, dewormers, vaccine, etc. When you look at my grassfed, pasture-raised, organic goats versus the allopathic ones....my herd has no chronic disease. They gain weight even when the pasture gets so thin; Even when others tell you they need more nutrients than such pasture alone can handle....nope....weight gain and healthy on the least bit of grass. My bucks grow healthy, strong, and handsome. Mostly, I leave them on the pasture grass -- green and rich by winter; dry and barren by summer. Some grain treats and tablescraps, but mostly all pasture. And it's not even ideal pasture. Their poop is still reseeding and renewing the pasture for me over time. I'm a lazy farmer. I have other work and don't like to slave away on anything unless it's profitable per unit of time spent. All in all, compared to allopathic goat ranchers, I really don't spend much time, money, or labor on my goats -- except when they kid, have an injury, or bust through the fence. They're my most profitable produce here, actually. I was considering carrying some hens and getting into eggs, but that would be a lot more daily labor. The hawks who inhabit this place would also have a field day with any chicks running loose. Might still do it. We'll see. For now, the goat manure around their shelters and gate is sufficient to scoop up and transfer into tanks for liquified fertilizer. If needing more fertilizer, I might weld up an old trailer into a portable chicken coup so the birds poop on your garden and then you move them to other spots. As Irene noted, ranching is a natural flow for me as a cave man compared to crops. I am still working on suitable crops and stable markets for them outside of just generating farm produce for locals. The hay and clover here was already a crop and I didn't want to kill it with tilling when livestock could transform it over time. If I went to crops first out here, eventually I'd need to fertilize or manage things tightly with cover crops, rotation, etc. Adding in animal manure makes it easier. Crops are nice because they don't tie you to the land. You can leave on vacation with plants and not need a caretaker to be sure the animals aren't chewing on your neighbor's house. When all set up, crops are less or about the same labor as animals...if you do it right. If you get into too many varieties, though, that just stretches you thin and makes you a full-time gardner. In find wisdom in that old biblical saying about not planting too many crops. At the same time, you need a suitable mix of complimentary crops and animals to give a good biodynamic ag factor that enriches the place into a nicely balanced ecosystem, and the tricky part is doing that at a reasonable profit rather than loss. Out here, the small farmer's gig is a tough nut to crack. Foreign produce floods the American market under NAFTA. Organic and fresh is really the only thing that holds your prices up on the common crops, or you have to go with speciality crops that nobody else does and which return well (such as medicinals). Frankly, I'm inclined to go steal a goat or some goat milk from a Canadian ranch up north where they've genetically modified goats to produce BioSteel. That's a promising new industry for the goat herder. The fibers in the goat milk are 20 times stronger than steel. This allows you to make bulletproof vests, various armor, and other materials much stronger than Kevlar....once they get the breeding and spinning details with the fibers down better. Much more interesting than nanocarbon, in my view....So breast milk.....yeah, it's not just a greenie and health nut thing. It's a warfare commodity for the capitalist piggies  of The Man, Dr. K! Pretty sure I don't want that kind of milk in my cereal or smoothies! ....Oh, one more thing: One of the best things that has always helped me is high potency acidophillus and various ENTERIC COATED caps. There's a great product out there called Solar Ray or Solaray. Something like that. 50 billion c.f.u., but enteric coated. Expensive, but the alternative is to just chug a lot more yogurt or acidophillus. Most doesn't get past the stomach acid, but, when you get it past that and into the small intestine and colon...the innoculation factor is much greater and more rapid. Acidophillus really puts yeast/ fungi back in line. Oregano is said to be about 100 times more powerful than Nystatin or Diflucan and took me down from a blood level +1 Candida back in 2003 to 0 within a couple months. It can be somewhat rough on the guts or giving a harsh die off, though. Seen it give remission trend in that Multiple Myeloma case, too. Pau D' Arco. Garlic. Extra virgin olive oil. Ashwaganda. Many things beat things back down into the colon where the bugs belong. Things like L-Glutamine, Marshmallo, Licorice, and Aloe Vera help soothe and repair, and seal the guts. Just staying away from foods that I'm allergic to takes all the strain away. With me, it's those yeasts, eggs, gluten & flour, sugar (not allergic, but just feeds the bad beer vat in the gut). Various things measured by blood panel, but pulse or muscle testing is more accurate. I pretty much know what sets me off and the Elimination Diet just like cancer patients do is the first step in recovery each time, but that's what also drives the craving all the more. When you live long enough on red cabbage, poultry, veggies, rice, and soup to live, heal, and stay strong.....and all the normal things of the world that you love -- pizza, cookies, candy, and all the yum yum things family and friends offer you on holidays (even offended or mocking when you don't eat with them).....oh, it just makes you want to live and eat normal and bad again. It sucks. I am not a cookie addict and have never been big on sweets. In fact, I haven't had a cavity on my adult teeth ever. But, oh, my moments with a mistress cookie are sooooooo sinful and scandalous! In fact, I am hurting today because last night I helped a sick veteran (whose case online I'll update in a minute), and he had a can full of ginger snaps that I just love. I ate two handfuls, got sick, and now my small intestine still burns today from it. I was doing well for awhile, but, no. Blew it. Like a drug addict you become, not from all this "addictive personality" or compulsive psychobabble the twits yap about but it becomes induced in you from dietary deprivation. And, yes, there's an emotional factor, too. Dammit!!! A man should be able to eat cookies and have a cold beer without getting sick. I have come a long way since 2003, but, still, that's the frustrating part that holds me down. The adrenal damage is slowly healing. I can live with and work on that over time. It's these stinkin' gut flora still out of balance that are key and the homeopathy can help but doesn't help re-innoculate fast enough.I haven't tried any bentonite clay yet, but Gina Tyler and other research tells me it's great. All sorts of other things and colon cleansers/ scrubbers. But, none of these naturopathy things ever made permanent and lasting changes to me like homeopathy did. Meanwhile, there is still something missing from the homeopathy, and I think that is a broadspectrum reinnoculation of the guts. I like Irene's observation on just eating properly and the remnant gut flora will come back into balance. I observe that a bit in myself, but that's also too slow. I'd suffer for months waiting while popping 50 billion c.fu. caps for a week gets there quickly. And yet, that's not enough, I think. Too few strains. It's not a natural product. It's not loaded with the thousands upon thousands of strains as is raw breast milk. I'm still studying raw goat milk. My goats are clean and healthy. I haven't actually drank the stuff this whole time. With delicate guts, you have to be careful and many strains -- such as Brucella -- pass from goats to people. ...Anyhow, I might start out with just some raw goat milk and see how that goes. I'll do some patent research on the breast milk thing and post any findings here later. I think, whatever artificially created probiotics they crank out will probably be very helpful to people but, certainly, not as good as the real thing. Oh, I suppose I'll have to go suckle another movie star at some point! Bringing my vitality up just enough so that perhaps I can lead a life of sex, drugs, and rock & roll.....this is the objective! To hell with humanity and healing people. It's milk time for Doc Quackoliday! |
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It's a warfare commodity for the capitalist piggies
of The Man, Dr. K! Pretty sure I don't want that kind of milk in my cereal or smoothies! Nope you don't. Next time a goat has a kid, try to share some of the colostrum with it. See how fast you gut recovers. Angela Jolie doesn't have any anymore. The octoplet mum is too nutty and not into men, unless it is IVF doctors, and she does no longer have any either. So you'll have to settle for those goats.  Kaviraj. |
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