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G Tyler 
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Louis Pasteur "discovered" the Germ Theory?
 
Not only is this
 not accurate, and not only is the Germ Theory itself unsubstantiated even today, but Pasteur himself in one of the most quoted deathbed statements perhaps of all time, recanted the Theory and admitted that his rivals had been right, and that it was not the germ that caused the disease, but rather the "environment" in which the germ was found: "Bernard acail raison; le terrain c'est tout, le germe c'est rien."
Aconite
You had better do your homework next time you post in a homeopathic discussion forum.
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aconite
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< ="-" ="text/; =utf-8">< name="ProgId" ="Word.">< name="Generator" ="Microsoft Word 14">< name="Originator" ="Microsoft Word 14"> Make posting by
doing your class works properly. Do not divert yourself and cover up by
bringing up Pasteur. I had indicated L Pasteur in the last one line and in one
word without any quotations on him. You have drawn it as a main subject itself.
(Is there a term for this like, hydrophobia… Pateurophobia… it do not know,
poor homework?). What is the use of asking me do my homework, first do your
basic class work (I repeat basic classwork). Read and re read what was posted by our beloved friend who
has treated several cases of rabies by homeopathy only. Reply suitably. He has
given his / her esteemed examples of how a case of rabies will appear (in case
you do not know by lack of homework), read his cases below. These cases are highly informative to young and upcoming homeopaths.
I earnestly appeal you post these classical symptoms of rabies and its
treatment to well informed homeopathic journals. One of our duties is to
educate people by posting these cured classical cases, especially rabies,
cancer, diabetes, HIV etc., The author probably has discovered and coined a homeopathic
rabies and may be different from rabies what is meant and understood by all
medical fraternity (allopathic, homeopathic, siddha or ayurveda) All cases of tetanus are RABIES: He has cured many cases of
hydrophobia in India, where the bite of a dog or monkey nearly always ends up
with tetanus because it is rampant. (A most important missed out symptom in
rabies is tetanus.... I have not done my homework). Cases of foam in mouth are RABIES: and has used
Cantharis - barks like a dog! Foam at the mouth and dangerous to boot. (as quoted
in the original post, not my quotation. What is dangerous to boot in
rabies?—my poor classwork). Cases of seeing monster as RABIES: Belladonna sees monsters
and is oblivious to surroundings. (Yeah! The most important symptom of
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Firuzi Mehta
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Aconite,
Kaviraj has not said that that all his cases of dread of water/seeing monsters/tetanus-like symptoms, etc., were rabies. He was talking about different cases of rabies presenting with these features and he has talked about the remedies that have been used for them. Since you don't agree with the symptoms that Kaviraj has used to treat his cases of rabies, why don't you tell us what the features of 'classical rabies' are? What are the signs and symptoms a patient needs to have, that you would consider as being a case of rabies? |
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aconite
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Any standard medical text will give details.I am NOT ALL against kaviraj. It is misunderstood by few of our members. In any professional debate such mis-givings are common and acceptable and required for a healthy debate. My only argument is that anyone shall not divert from main subject (rabies in this case).Even now I suggest kaviraj to publish articles to standard journals for the benefit of the profession.
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elena
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All right, but why do you not post for us a quote from a standard medical text about the picture of rabies? I for one would be willing to know what text you use and what it says. THanks!
Elena
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gavinimurthy
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Most human victims, and apparently lower animals as well, suffer excruciating pain on swallowing liquids. Though they suffer from thirst, animal and human rabies victims can be terrified by the sight of water, hence another name for the disease, hydrophobia. After a symptom-free incubation period that ranges from 10 days to a year or longer (the average is 30 to 50 days), the patient complains of malaise, loss of appetite, fatigue, headache, and fever. Over half of all patients have pain (sometimes itching) or numbness at the site of exposure. They may complain of insomnia or depression.
Two to 10 days later, signs of nervous system damage appear, hyperactivity and hypersensitivity, disorientation, hallucinations, seizures, and paralysis. Death may be sudden, due to cardiac or respiratory arrest, or follow a period of coma that can last for months with the aid of life-support measures. Murthy |
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G Tyler
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on what rabies really is;
Rabies was an old superstition — a relic of the times when devils ran to and fro between animal and man carrying disease. Pasteur, who had previously had a hemorrhage of the brain, changed this old superstition into a money-making disease. Rabies is now a pet child of the Vivisection Trust which works internationally. If vivisection has proven anything it has proven the impossibility of man contracting any real disease from a dog. How long will filthy lucre keep the facts from the fooled public? In early times, as recorded in articles available in old libraries, the kiss of a king would cure rabies. It was later discovered that a piece of the king’s garment would be as efficacious. Still later the "mad stone" when applied over the area of the bite would "draw out the madness". Later some of the "hair of the dog that bit you" could either be chewed and swallowed or bound on the wound. This latter seems to have kept rabies out of the limelight until the time of Pasteur. Medicine has heard much of the startling cure of Joseph Meister by Pasteur. Little mention is made of the fact that three relatives of the Meister boy were bitten by the same dog and without benefit of the Pasteur treatment recovered completely. Dr. H. Bastian, a contemporary, took sharp issue with Pasteur’s scientific ideas and conclusions. Another contemporary of Pasteur, Dr. Antoine Bechamp, took violent exceptions to Pasteur’s reports Dr. W. R. Hadwen of England was also in controversy with Pasteur. Dr. William A. Bruette, former assistant chief of the Bureau of Animal Industry in Washington, was also a contemporary of Pasteur and gave many proofs of Pasteur’s incorrect Dr. Bruette has proved, as a matter of fact, that rabies vaccine is not only a fraud, but harmful.
He scores the use of rabies vaccine and states that "inoculation spreads disease." He goes as far as to call the sale of rabies vaccine an out and out racket. Dr. Matthew Woods, another contemporary of Pasteur, then a leading member of the Philadelphia Medical. Society, wrote much on the subject of rabies. He stated, "at the Philadelphia dog pound, where on an average more than 6,000 vagrant dogs are taken annually, and where the catchers and keepers are frequently bitten while handling them, not one case of hydrophobia has occurred during it’s entire history of twenty-five years, in which time 150,000 dogs have been handled." "The records of the London Hospital, a few years ago, showed 2,668 persons bitten by angry dogs. None of them developed hydrophobia." St. George’s Hospital, London, records 4,000 patients bitten by dogs supposed to have been mad. No case of hydrophobia. "In the record of all the diseases which have occurred at the Pennsylvania Hospital in one hundred and forty years, only two cases which were supposed to be hydrophobia have occurred. One of these, however, the only one submitted to bacteriological test, did not confirm the diagnosis, ‘hydrophobia’ and the local health authorities refused to register the death as due to rabies." Dr. Charles W. Dulles, lecturer on the History of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, who was appointed by the Medical Societies of the state to investigate rabies stated that he is "inclined to the view that there is no such specific malady" because after sixteen years of investigation he had "failed to find a single case The report and Dr. Woods’ letter were endorsed by Dr. Theophilus Parvin of Jefferson Medical College and President of the National Academy of Medicine; Dr. Thomas G. Morten, Coroners Physician; Dr. Charles K. Mills of the University of Pennsylvania and Dr. Thomas I. Mays of the Polyclinic Hospital.
Dr. Woods recently wrote a discourse of mimetic diseases, in which he discussed rabies. His evidence supports the view that so-called human rabies is the result of a disordered imagination (fear) Dr. Wilcox of New York investigated a "rabies scare" because of eleven alleged deaths from rabid dog bites. Upon complete investigation, it was found that not one of these deaths was due to rabies Dr. Elmer Lee ended another rabies scare on Staten Island. On autopsy the rabid dog was found to have died of thread worms and not rabies. The worms were lodged in the heart of the animal. A similar finding of worms ended the Kiondike Rabies Panic. Dr. Stillman, in 1922 voiced the opinion that rabies was "pure humbug" and that in over forty years as a practicing physician with a very busy practice and wide travels throughout Europe, he stated that he had "never seen a case of hydrophobia or rabies." In a letter answering a request for information, Dr. Stillman stated: "Several years ago there was considerable excitement occasioned by the declaration of a rabies quarantine by the state department of agriculture in Albany, N. Y. It lasted two years. Many dogs were killed. Their heads were sent on for official examination at Cornell College Veterinary department. Many were pronounced rabid, but the test was dependent upon the presence of certain Negri bodies in the animal’s brain." "I was told by a pupil of Pasteur in France that these Negri bodies were sometimes present when there was no suspicion whatever of rabies. We sent the head of a harmless little dog without any disease symptoms whatever to Cornell and it was promptly pronounced rabid. Finally I went to the department of Agriculture, which had charge, and insisted that our society would hold all dogs declared rabid and we would see if any cases of rabies would develop. Not one case of rabies appeared and we have never had any since. When the animals were held simply to show whether they had rabies, none of them died and the entire scare subsided after two years of fanatical Dr. J. W. Hodge reported that of 56,000 stray dogs and cats collected in one year, not one case of rabies was Dr. Dulles, previously referred to, has said, "I might cite my own experience in the treatment of persons bitten by dogs supposed to be mad, which has furnished not a single case of the developed disease in thirty years. And I have probably seen more cases of so-called hydrophobia than any other medical man." Dr.Dulles was lecturer on the History of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, Consulting Surgeon to Rush Hospital and Manager of University Hospital. Dr. William Brady, nation-wide columnist, has stated that, "The Pasteur treatment for rabies is a blind treatment and no one knows whether Pasteur treatment confers any protection against rabies. I’d never willingly receive Pasteur treatment or give it to any one under any conceivable circumstances, because I fear the material so injected has a disastrous effect in some instances. It is not always successful and, occasionally, paralysis follows its use." It Is Dr. Brady’s opinion that rabies "does not occur in man." "We, of the medical profession, have witnessed many errors perpetrated by good-intentioned, but misguided individuals In a hook entitled, "Bechamp or Pasteur," by E. D. Hume, there may be found much proof pertinent to our discussion. A notable failure of the Pasteur treatment was that of a young postman, named Pierre Roscol, who, with another man, was attacked by a dog supposed to be mad, but was not bitten, for the dog’s teeth did not penetrate his clothing; but his companion received severe bites. The latter refused to go to the Pasteur Institute and remained in perfect health; but the unfortunate Roscal was forced by the postal authorities to undergo the treatment, beginning March 9th. On the following April 12th severe symptoms set in with pain at the point of inoculation, not at the place of the bite, for he had never been bitten. On April 14th he died of paralytic "hydrophobia" the new disease brought into the world by Pasteur. Another incident extracted from the same book shows the power of suggestion or fear in the causation of so-called rabies. It is hard to credit, but the case is recorded as follows. "Two young Frenchmen were bitten by the same dog at Havre. One died from the effects within a month, but, before this, his friend had sailed for America, where he lived for fifteen years in ignorance of the end of his former companion. Returning to France, he heard of the tragedy and, actually himself, developed symptoms, and within three weeks was dead of "hydrophobia." Another interesting recorded case is that of a lady, who returning from bathing, stated that she had been bitten by a dog. "The anxious parents rushed her for Pasteur treatments, she became violently ill, death followed. On the way home from the funeral the girl companions who were bathing with her told the parents of the dead girl that she was not bitten by a dog but by her young man friend." There are over 3.000 deaths on record in reports from the Pasteur Institute, of persons bitten by dogs. All died after treatments On the other hand, the record of the London Hospital, a few years ago, showed 2,668 persons bitten by angry dogs: not one of them developed hydrophobia and not one had been treated by the Pasteur method.
"Who was this man Pasteur? What did he actually discover? The answer to the first is that he was a chemist of sorts. The second question can be answered only with the reminder that he separated L & D tartic acids. That is absolutely all he did. The rest of his work—yea——even the silkworm disease and bacterial work was plagiarized from that, not too well-known and much neglected professor of Montpellier, Antoine Bechamp. Professor Bechamp’s writings, when properly studied, will be found to have afforded the solution to many of the problems which had puzzled biologists, physiologists, pathologists and philosophers for many years." —flume. Speaking of Professor Bechamp’s works, Dr. Leverson of England says, "I also found in those truths absolute proof of the absurdity of the germ theory of disease; and, by the study of the writings of Pasteur, to which Bechamp’s works unavoidably led me, I found full proof that the great god of the (supposedly) men of science of the latter half of the last century and of many of the present, was in fact, the most astonishing of plagiarists and distorter of other men’s discoveries; chiefly those of Professor Antoine Bechamp, and of his collaborators and pupils; and that this plagiarist was the most monumental charlatan, whose existence is disclosed to us, in the entire recorded history of medicine." "You have already surmised who was this plagiarist and charlatan. It was Louis Pasteur, to whose memory France has erected statues all over the land and endowed the Pasteur Institute." Since this record is not an enviable one, let us view rabies from the standpoint of the known facts. We have seen that normal dogs are also classified as rabid by the so-called microscation of these so-called Negri bodies. We have also seen that the identification of these so-called Negri bodies is dependent upon the individual observer. Seldom do observers agree. Experts at the Pasteur Institute admit that Negri bodies are not a specific indication of rabies. They also record many deaths by treatment with the Pasteur system. On the other hand, reported untoward effects in nontreated patients (very few cases are reported it will be noticed) can be explained on the basis of fear or susceptibility to slight injuries. For example, Dr. W. W. Duke of Kansas City, among others, on writing on allergy, cites cases of violent convulsions and deaths following slight injuries in individuals seemingly in perfect mental and physical condition. These violent deaths are reported as resulting from scratches, tooth extraction, hypodermic injections, extremes of heat or cold, shock due to various causes, love affairs, etc. The allergy experts often lay stress on the relative importance of former illness which may have undermined the health of the patient. Such varied causes would indicate Dr. Buisson of France had been badly bitten by a dog and was given up to die of hydrophobia. He recited that his fear was, of course, intense as was his suffering. He decided to try to relieve his sufferings by a warm bath. After soaking for one and a quarter hours, his convulsions disappeared and he became well. He cured all other cases which came to him in a similar way. The Buisson baths were employed with great success in France in rabies cases. In Germany, cases of dog bites are sensibly treated by applying suction to the wound or squeezing it to induce and low free bleeding. They leave the clotted and dried blood on the wound without further treatment and they never have further trouble. In my experience, nothing stronger than mild soap and water should be used on such wounds. I feel that cauterization is too shocking to the tissues. Is rabies then a disease? P. S. I have examined and witnessed the repeated examinations of every part of the brains of the so-called rabid dogs. The mouse and rabbit tests have proved ridiculous ever since the time of Pasteur. by E. McBean |
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DebbyBruck
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Kaviraj ~ What potency do you give and how often. Did you select Cantharis for burning pain? Belladonna for fever / fear of dogs / hallucinations / salivation?
I posted that question before I got to read Gina's long article.  Is it all a figment of our imagination?
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gavinimurthy
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In India every old villager can recall atlest one death which resulted from the bite of a mad dog. We first heard the symptoms of rabies from our elders..not from books.
Rabies is still a major threat in India, as there are still uncontrolled street dogs roaming around. It is easy to sit in a protected place where there are no stray dogs and give sermons.
Murthy
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elena
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Still I would think that it is not any virus from a stray dog that causes the problems, but the horror of the experience of being bitten by one that undermines one's balanced healthy state so much that various symptoms appear... A dynamic morbid stimulus - imagine a wild animal (or almost wild) jumping at you! A stray dog that has not eaten well - or anything at all - for days is the last thing you would like to encounter... But again, I would imagine not everyone bitten by a dog develops symptoms of hydrophobia, some indeed might get into an Arsenic or Hypericum/Ledum state, and some are not susceptible to this kind of assualt altogether - I wonder what Kaviraj could comment on this? Thanks! Elena
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gavinimurthy
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virus also is a stimulus which can affect people who are susceptible to it.
Murthy
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G Tyler
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Elena posted:"I would think that it is not any virus from a stray dog that causes the problems, but the horror of the experience of being bitten by one that undermines one's balanced healthy state so much that various symptoms appear... A dynamic morbid stimulus - ...................................................." My reply: I see you understand the gist of it Elena! -Where the mind goes the body will follow-
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gavinimurthy
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Perhaps the 'horror of the experience' waits for the incubation period to make the symptoms manifest.
Intelligence lies in correlating the known and observed phenomena with a proposed theory. Can the learned ones explain why 'the horror of the experience' doesn't manifest immediately?
Murthy
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elena
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Well, the fact that "incubation periods" are actually differing for different people already suggests that something is not quite in tune with this theory.
And I now recall the story that I read in the book "Pasteur or Bechamp" by Ethel Hume, which was derived from some documented source of the day - of the era when Pasteur was "testing" his rabies vaccination. In a sea-port two people were bitten by the same dog, after which ONE of the people got onto a boat and left for USA where he spent 15 years in good health to return and learn that the SECOND person developped hydrophobia symptoms within a month of being bitten and died.
And - surprise, surprise, - within a month (several weeks) of learning that - 15 years after the incident - the SECOND person developped the symptoms of hydrophobia and subsequently died. "Le germe - c'est rien, le terrain - c'est tout." Il suffisait de prepare le terrain - par l'horreur de ce que le seconde personne a ete raconnte a propos de la premiere personne, - a la seconde personne a produit les memes symptomes qui ont mene a la fatalite... (The terrible story has prepared the "ground" for the second person's illness...)
What would you make of this?
On the other hand I would agree that what is being called viral particles actually carries some sort of "morbid" information - just as any other substance, plant or mineral or whatever, does - as we know from the provings of substances, and indeed some people might be really susceptible to this as a direct stimulus, that is - this susceptibility is already a part of their "terrain" without any additional "preparation", so in fact we have two factors intermingling here, and it is not always easy to discern which has played a major part in which case... Just some theoretical musings.
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G Tyler
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Dear Elena
Yes Exactly:
I posted this same story aswell;
In a hook entitled, "Bechamp or Pasteur," by E. D. Hume, there may be found much proof pertinent to our discussion. A notable failure of the Pasteur treatment was that of a young postman, named Pierre Roscol, who, with another man, was attacked by a dog supposed to be mad, but was not bitten, for the dog’s teeth did not penetrate his clothing; but his companion received severe bites. The latter refused to go to the Pasteur Institute and remained in perfect health; but the unfortunate Roscal was forced by the postal authorities to undergo the treatment, beginning March 9th. On the following April 12th severe symptoms set in with pain at the point of inoculation, not at the place of the bite, for he had never been bitten. On April 14th he died of paralytic "hydrophobia" the new disease brought into the world by Another incident extracted from the same book shows the power of suggestion or fear in the causation of so-called rabies. It is hard to credit, but the case is recorded as follows. "Two young Frenchmen were bitten by the same dog at Havre. One died from the effects within a month, but, before this, his friend had sailed for America, where he lived for fifteen years in ignorance of the end of his former companion. Returning to France, he heard of the tragedy and, actually himself, developed symptoms, and within three weeks was dead of "hydrophobia." |
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A cock and bull story to justify what is being written in the book.
Don't believe everything that appears in the print.
There are valid reasons as to why symptoms appear early or late. It depends on the area of the bite. If the person is bitten in the upper trunk, the symptoms manifest quickly. If bitten on the leg area, it takes more time. Of course susceptibility plays an impotant role and some people may escape altogether without doing anything.
However unless you want to risk your life, go for the vaccine as early possible after being bitten by a mad dog. The risk you are exposed to by not taking the specified injections is much higher than the risk you may have by taking it.
Rabies vaccination for humans is normally not given as a prophylactic. If taken immediately after the bite, it quickly produces the antibodies and the system is made ready to combat the toxins that are released after the incubation period.
Murthy
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G Tyler
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Murthy said:"go for the vaccine as early possible after being bitten by a mad dog. The risk you are exposed to by not taking the specified injections is much higher than the risk you may have by taking it................."
My reply:
Rabies vaccine adverse reactions
WARNING! Arega D, Zenebe G. Peripheral neuropathy following administration of nerve tissue antirabies vaccine.Ethiop Med J. 1999 Oct;37(4):269-73.PMID: 11961878 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Ahasan HA, Chowdhury MA, Azhar MA, Rafiqueuddin AK. Neuroparalytic complications after anti-rabies vaccine (inactivated nervous tissue vaccine)Trop Doct. 1995 Apr;25(2):94. No abstract available.PMID: 7778211 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Arch. Neurol 35: 693, 1978. The authors describe a multiple sclerosis like illness occurring 4 years after rabies immunization. It references a paper describing similar cases presenting 2-20 years after immunization with the rabies vaccine. Alvord EC Jr, et al. The causes of the syndromes of Landry (1859) and of Guillain, Barre and Strohl (1916). Rev Neurol (Paris). 1987;143(8-9):571-9. PMID: 2445014; UI: 88042403.
Britton DE, Houff SA, Eiben RM.Possible interactions between rabies vaccination and a progressive degenerative CNS disease.Arch Neurol. 1978 Oct;35(10):693. No abstract available.PMID: 29594 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Bernard KW, Smith PW, Kader FJ, Moran MJ. Neuroparalytic illness and human diploid cell rabies vaccine. JAMA. 1982 Dec 17;248(23):3136-8. No abstract available. PMID: 7143690 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Cremieux G et AL.[Facial diplegia with cellular albumin dissociation of the cerebrospinal fluid following rabies vaccination] Nouv Presse Med. 1977 Sep 24;6(31):2781-2. French. No abstract available. PMID: 593826 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Cremieux G, Dor JF, Mongin M. [Peripheral facial paralysis and post-antirabies-vaccination polyneuroradiculitis (author's transl)]Acta Neurol Belg. 1978 Sep-Oct;78(5):279-300. French.PMID: 716833 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Chakravarty A. Neurologic illness following post-exposure prophylaxis with purifiled chick embryo cell antirabiesvaccine. J Assoc Physicians India. 2001 Sep;49:927-8.PMID: 11837768 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Chaleomchan W, et al. Anticardiolipin antibodies in patients with rabies vaccination induced neurological complications and other neurological diseases. J Neurol Sci. 1990 May;96(2-3):143-51. PMID: 2376746; UI: 90330972. Consoloni E, Cartei MA, Ioppoli C, Fonte F. [Neuropathological complications of rabies vaccination: a case with involvement of the facial nerve]Riv Neurol. 1979 Jan-Feb;49(1):53-61. Italian. No abstract available.PMID: 451398 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Dreesen DW, Bernard KW, Parker RA, Deutsch AJ, Brown J. Immune complex-like disease in 23 persons following a booster dose of rabies human diploid cell vaccine. Vaccine. 1986 Mar;4(1):45-9. PMID: 2938356 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Hemachudha T, et al. Myelin basic protein as an encephalitogen in encephalomyelitis and polyneuritis following rabies vaccination. N Engl J Med. 1987 Feb 12;316(7):369-74. PMID: 2433582; UI: 87115665[See Related Articles]
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Knittel T, et al. Guillain-Barre syndrome and human diploid cell rabies vaccine. Lancet. 1989 Jun 10;1(8650):1334-5. No abstract available.PMID: 2566866; UI: 89260830. Kreiner R, et al. [Encephalitis after rabies vaccination]. Psychiatr Neurol Med Psychol (Leipz). 1971 Sep;23(9):532-6. German. No abstract available.PMID: 4403287; UI: 72258327. Larghi OP, Varela-Diaz VM, Soto E, Imas B, Cuba-Caparo A, Fuenzalida E. Laboratory investigations on neuroparalytic accidents associated with suckling mouse brain rabies vaccine. III. -- Preservation of vaccine potency after elimination of murine brain myelin by centrifugation.Ann Microbiol (Paris). 1976 Nov-Dec;127B(4):567-72.PMID: 1023791 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] (Luby JP; Ann Intern Med, 1974 Sep) Letter: Adverse reaction to duck embryo rabies vaccine. Lery L, Gaillard L, Delphin D. [Benign neurologic accident following anti-rabies vaccination. Unforeseen clinical and biological aspects]Arch Fr Pediatr. 1975 Jun-Jul;32(6):563-7. French.PMID: 241305 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Mittal HS, et al. Brainstem encephalopathy following antirabic vaccination. A case report. J Postgrad Med. 1971 Oct;17(4):184-6. No abstract available.PMID: 4400983; UI: 72131524. Manghani DK, et al. Pleomorphism of fine structure of rabies virus in human and experimental brain. J Neurol Sci. 1986 Sep;75(2):181-93. PMID: 3760910; UI: 87010723.
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Trejos A, Lewis V, Fuenzalida E, Larghi OP. Laboratory investigations of neuroparalytic accidents associated with suckling mouse brain rabies vaccine. I.--Encephalitogenicity and virological studies.Ann Immunol (Paris). 1974 Nov;125(6):917-24. No abstract available.PMID: 4157004 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Development of neurologic complications after Semple rabies vaccine is closely linked to development of antibody to myelin basic protein (MBP). The portions of MBP against which the antibodies are directed were analyzed by enzyme immunoassay in sera and cerebrospinal fluid from 27 patients with vaccine complications. Most of the antibody was directed to regions of MBP peptides 45-89 and 90-170. There was no apparent correlation between antibody specificity for MBP peptides 1-44, 45-89 and 90-170 and the type of post-vaccinal neurologic complication. We conclude that the immunoglobulin repertoire in human B lymphocytes for responding to human MBP favors the portion of the MBP molecule containing residues 45-170. PMID: 1688875, UI: 90131050
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you may feel gratefull that homeopathy survived the attempts of allopaths to destroy it- MARK TWAIN
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gavinimurthy
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I never said there are no risks. Even walking on the road does have risk.
I am talking about relative risks. One is the risk of highly probable death. The other is the risk of complications from vaccine.
We made our points. Let the readers decide the best choice and leave the final judgement to them.
Murthy
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Avoid doing things to others which will make you red when others do it to you.
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Humble
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Well,
personally, I have to go with Murthy. If there is rabies present in the area - health authorities have statistics - and if a person is bitten by an animal which behaved 'different' from normal and which may possibly carry the rabies virus: however critical we are against vaccinations, in such a case one has to use the option which is the safest for the patient, no doubt about it. For me, it is the vaccine. If a therapist misses the vaccination and the patient then gets the disease (I just read that about 55 000 patients die with rabies every year in India) - then, aside from the ethical responsibility, legal consequences will have to been taken, incl. loosing ones permission for running a practice, financial liability and maybe even imprisonment. I just want to say: not one's own philosophy should rank highest but the safest treatment for the patient. And this may include vaccination when the circumstances demand for it. Aside from this, Gina's opinion is based on many informations published about vaccinations and they are totally valid. But first of all let's act concerned and responsible. So let's individually for each single case evaluate, which prophylaxis after exhibition is the best option. I'd let the patient decide after informing him in detail about the risks of either treatment and I would ask for a written consent with the treatment started. Also, the patient has to be referred to a clinic which is well suited to care for such a case. A little private practice is not the right place to work on it. Siegfried |
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Humble
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One thing which I want to add to my last post:
As a non-medical practicioner in Germany, aside from giving a most accurate advice to the patient, my doing is regulated and limited by a law to the following: 1. Prohibition to treat such cases 2. Obligation to notify the authorities. The authorities will take action immediately. In this country this means, that only physicians will ever be in the situation to decide which treatment to carry out. You can guess, what they do... Siegfried |
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