Misha, I’d just like to ask you about a typical day.
Different days are different. A typical weekend day, I’d be involved
with the school, most probably teaching, or seeing students, participating
in our team meetings, or making sure that things are running smoothly,
which might include cooking lunch for folk. A typical weekday
depends on the day. Because I work most Saturdays and Sundays,
I try to keep Mondays and Tuesdays as if they were the weekend,
so they’re free of diary commitments, which means everything else
that needs to be done falls into them. Of course there’s a lot
of fall-out from the School that gets picked up on a Monday. I
try to keep my practice to afternoons, Wednesdays, Thursdays and
all day Friday. My idea of keeping at least four mornings a week
free was to give me a chance to do some writing, which was a great
idea. The reality, however, is that there’s little time for that.
I try to end my day at a reasonable hour so as to be with the
family. I love to cook supper for everybody - this is my primary
practical contribution to family life. It’s probably the only
time the family gets together, gathered round the evening meal-table,
so it’s a special time.
So there isn’t a typical day, then?
Not really.
What was today like?
Well, today’s
an atypical Friday! Since there are no students here, there was
no need to have a practice day for the video clinic which I usually
run on Fridays. So I kept it free of appointments, apart from
ours. In the morning I wrote five letters, sorted out a couple
of e-mails, and was on the phone between 9 and 10, because that’s
my daily call-in hour.
I took the dog
for a walk. I got up to the top of the hill when it started to
rain, so I lingered in the woods and then came down again, which
is why I was late. I’m sorry. The dog is a wonderful part of my
life, partly because he needs a walk every day, just as I do.
That hill is absolutely fantastic, you can go up it fast, which,
from the point of view of exercise, is probably the best there
is, going up a hill fast. I just wish it was a bigger hill!
How do you find it, having your family live here,
and the school? That must be quite hard in some ways for you.
Is there an overlap?
My personality
divides into two distinct parts, one of which delights in having
people in my home, while the other is very private. I need to
spend some time on my own, or maybe with one other trusted person,
soul-mate. Because these two parts of me move in contrary motion,
I have to allow a space for each.
Do you manage to make that space consciously and deliberately,
or does it just `happen`?
Well, dog-walking
gives a space to me on my own. The dog is my soul-mate! We have
great conversations. Seriously, my wife is my soul-mate and I
delight in the time that we are together. I retire to my room
and fiddle around with words. As you know, I write poetry, as
well as writing articles here and there. Poetry is certainly a
way of being in one’s interior place.
Are you saying that there’s a part of you that brings
those two together by being in nature, walking, and being `grounded`,
and also by being creative? Does that make a bridge for you?
It brings the
private world into the public arena. Any form of expression does
that, agreed. I love philosophy - that’s another way in which
the inner world gets abroad, as the private space allows for those
thoughts to arise from the depths, and the public space is where
they are put out.
What about mundane things like telly?
Oh no, I don’t
do much of that. Something else about a typical day is that I
may be away from home, I may be abroad. I have a commitment to
North America, so that involves my going over there twice a year
regularly. I go to the School on campus in New York, and run workshops
in diverse locations for students who have been studying homeopathy
intensively on the Correspondence Course. Other members of the
school faculty also take part in this. As things are growing in
America, more of us are getting involved.
This doesn’t take you away, in terms of where you’re
going - your commitment to homeopathy, your philosophy and your
Self. It’s actually very typical of how you are. You’re travelling
inside, with your ideas and your themes and your life, and you’re
taking these to another place.
Yes. Very true.
And I also like travelling other places as well. I’ve often thought
that being a homeopath is quite Jewish. As I’m half Jewish, I
can say it is like that: Jews are everywhere, and homeopaths are
everywhere. They are both religions, and specialist religions
at that, belonging to the `tribe`. I use the term religion in
its original sense of ‘binding back’, as a gardener would a stray
rambler rose. When you travel amongst homeopaths, you are treated
as a brother/sister - it’s a lovely way to travel. So, I may be
going and teaching within the framework of my own school, or travelling
as a guest into somebody else’s school, or simply be giving an
occasional seminar, or be a speaker at a conference. In any and
all of these cases it’s a wonderful way of finding out about folk,
of being a part of their world. I’ve also enjoyed doing some work
in Central and Eastern Europe. I’d love to do more. I wish the
Gemini in me had two bodies, then the one could go off and do
these things and the other could stay at home! Like Phosphorus
and Calcarea!
Do you have a yearning for the `travel thing`?
I’m not struck
with the physicality of travelling - for me this is hassle of
tickets and luggage and being squeezed into seats for hours. Some
people enjoy that: being on the road. Yet, I love the contact
with other people and other cultures ....and, wild places, wherever
they are ...
In your daily life, do you get tangled up in the mundane
things, fed up with them, or do you just accept them as they are
... the realities of washing-up, or mending your socks?
I don’t specifically
like those things. Yet diversity is the spice of life, and I’m
happy doing almost anything. I can get overwrought in the sense
that I can suffer from the delusion that there are too many things,
too many demands, too much expected of me at any given moment.
What helps to get out of that space?
The trick is
not to get into it in the first place, and this is easier than
getting out of it. But you’ve asked how to get out of it? Well,
I arrange to take a break, a few days off combined with a few
days teaching. I blank out some spaces in my diary, well in advance
and book in some lectures abroad: it’s a busman’s holiday. The
most useful tip I can give about how not to get into it, is to
create compartments in your life and keep the boundaries, especially
time boundaries, clearly stated. You have a phone-in hour, when
patients know they can get you, and you know when you’re not going
to be got because then your answer-machine is on.
And those annoying and niggling, practical things
.. . the car’s broken down ... that combine with your patients
on the phone ...
Yes, sometimes
it’s all too much. One cannot control things like the car breaking
down, so clearly there has to be enough latitude in life in order
for you to handle the extraordinary without freaking out. There
is an annual religious gathering of Hindus at the confluence of
the two great rivers that meet to become the Ganges. One time
I went, and I was very struck by it. It really is touching the
heart of India to be at an event like that. One gets to meet many
holy men, `Sadhus`, who have made this pilgrimage. One of these
Sadhus spoke good English, and in traditional way offered me a
very sweet `sweetie`, a cardamom and a clove. He asked me what
my practice was, and I said I practised homeopathy. When I asked
him what his practice was, he exclaimed, “Oh, my friend, I am
practising contentment!” So I’ve tried to take a page out of his
book, and now, if people ask me what I practise, I say, “I practise
contentment ... and homeopathy!” Both are equally rewarding, and
to master both one needs less and less!
My experience as an ex-student from this School, is
that you try to model, from the heart, the impartial observer,
both in the classroom and in your relations with all of us. I
have picked up that there is a degree of jealousy or envy towards
this stance that you have taken, that the School has taken. I’m
interested in knowing how you deal with that, if you feel that
it is actually there. Also how you deal with the `fall-out`, not
only the academic problems of students, but their personal difficulties
and challenges? After all, you care about them. There are two
questions in this: What about this `guru-Misha` stuff that other
people may see you as, and also, how do you hold the space here
(at Yondercott) with all your students?
There are not
so many ways of being with, staying with, the guru projection.
A traditional way is to return with regularity to one’s private
space and practice of contentment. Which really means being okay
with yourself, which in turn means doing as little as possible
counter projection. People who are much in the public eye tend
to have escape routes, certainly gurus do, at least traditionally
in India. They spend a lot of time in a cave somewhere ... a lot
of time alone. They come out to be with their followers, to teach,
and then retire again. Regarding envy, that’s one of the human
shadows that arises in us. We can be jealous or envious, or wish
to have the qualities that other people have. It’s dark if it
leads to destructive thoughts, and it’s positive if it leads one
along the pathway of emulating. For example, if you have a figure
who exemplifies some quality that you wish to have yourself, then
that’s useful, because you could choose to spend time with them
and absorb from them the qualities that they have on offer. I’ve
personally been enriched and privileged, and privileged and enriched
by some of the contacts I’ve had with my teachers in life, and
I thank them. I thank them so much!
Sometimes this
School seems like a little island, very different from other ways
of teaching. Maybe, `out there`, there’s a misunderstanding of
how things are in this School, the provings, etc., accusations
of being `ungrounded`. Well, it’s a homeopathy school, so what
we teach is homeopathy! The outward form of the teaching has a
function, because its purpose is to enable healers to be effective
in their work. The inner form of the teaching is related to its
outer function. The inner form is to encourage and allow people
to discover what is intrinsic in their own natures, and to bring
it into realisation. That’s finding out about yourself, and using
it, using yourself for “the higher purposes of your existence”
to quote Hahnemann.
What is your favourite aphorism?
Oh, it is number
9. My first homeopathy teacher, who passed on to me so much about
healing, was John Damonte. He suggested that we begin our studies
in homeopathy without philosophy books. Books on Materia Medica
were fine, because they were pure fact. His suggestion was that
we just discover the inner teachings from our own observations,
rather than receiving knowledge from other people’s vision. So
I had already experienced homeopathic cures happening before I
read the `Organon`. When I did come to read it, I was running
through `Wow! That’s amazing! Here’s this guy, he knew all these
things before I did! It really IS like this!”
Aphorism 9 really
tickled my fancy, because it’s not only something you see in the
healing process, it’s also something you experience from your
very first breath. That’s how it is. Aphorisms 1 to 8, beginning
with the physician’s “high and only mission” are specifically
about homeopathy, then you get to Aphorism 9, and that’s general,
that’s about life.
Mind, body, spirit?
Yes.
The whole thing?
Yes.
In terms of your practice, is there a `typical` way?
Would you say, for example, `today, with this patient, I’m going
to try ascending potencies`, or, do you have ways of experimenting
with homeopathy, with your healing, that are not `typical`?
John Damonte
taught a straightforward homeopathy in the context of a confused
picture of medically oriented homeopathy on one hand and radionics,
that is dowsing for remedies and ‘broadcasting’ influences, on
the other. John primarily practised what we might call constitutional
prescribing - finding the remedy that suits the person’s state.
After John died, I had various other teachers, and they had different
styles of practice. Some of them believed that that approach was
intrinsically the one, perhaps supporting it with other things,
flower remedies, tissue salts, drainage remedies and so forth.
Some of them practised other ‘homeopathic’ approaches that had
less in common with the constitutional way. So I tried out all
the tricks I was being taught, and got mightily confused! Thus
I had to go back to first principles, which is where reading `Organon`
and Kent was really useful. I also started reading other books,
Roberts, Stuart Close, etc. My view of homeopathy clarified and
I obtained much better results, furthermore I could understand
how I’d got them. That view of homeopathy is the one that I still
adhere to. In my practice, I’m on the same Holy Grail quest for
the simillimum that classical homeopaths have always been on.
Classical homeopathy
has now become such a wide hold-all of lots of concepts.The quest
for the Holy Grail makes the journey simple. From the peak of
the mountain you can see how others paths are configured. The
idea is, and I’ll use Hahnemann’s model, that the individual that
comes to you with his suffering, is intrinsically and potentially
perfect. The task is to return him/her to this state. What is
required is to understand the nature of the suffering, to have
a recognisable picture of it. Then the homeopath’s quest is to
find something in nature which survives by those self-same qualities
that the disease is manifesting in the suffering person. The suffering
person is only able to act out in one way, they are stuck in the
form of that thing in nature which is their remedy. If you can
find this thing, give its ‘code’, its ‘picture’, which is recognisable
to the dynamis in the sufferer, then the person will be healed.
This is so because the thing in nature has been manifesting itself
for millions of years and the greater adding its dynamic to the
minor (the disease) enables the vital force to extend itself into
an extreme position (albeit for a fraction of a moment) from which
it has no option but to rebalance itself and in this process throw
off the disease. According to the Holy Grail quest model that
I am propounding, there aren’t a multitude of core diseases in
simultaneous operation within one individual - only one core disease
with a multitude of expressions. There’s only one primary imbalance
in operation at any given time, only one leitmotif, one script
playing itself. As I’ve suggested, this motif has a dazzling number
of expressions. Life (and disease) is endlessly creative. The
style of practitioner that you are depends very much on what level
you are working. If you’re working on the basic core disturbance
then there is one issue and one remedy. And the reason that we
often struggle is that many times those remedies are not known
to us. As rapidly as we are proving remedies, we still cannot
assimilate all that information. So we’re always lagging behind
what is potentially possible for us. In many of the folks that
we see, we only relieve part of the suffering, and therefore I
call the one disease, one remedy model the Holy Grail quest. Regarding
posology: selecting potencies is of less importance. One thing
is absolutely clear to me: when pathology is chronic, or is acute,
either physically or psychologically, then it’s necessary to repeat
the remedy. In chronic cases repetition should follow relapse,
in acute cases repetition should be frequent until alleviation
of suffering has been demonstrably established.
Is that because it gets `used up` by the pathological
process?
One discovers from taking remedies, and certainly from provings,
that the influence of the substance is instantaneously there and
instantaneously gone. So it’s not exactly that the influence has
been used up. Perhaps a better analogy would be to image it as
a signpost in a wilderness.
When you are
sick, you don’t know which way to go. Then the remedy is like
a signpost that says, `Go that way`. So off you go on that journey,
yet after a while you lose your way again, so you need another
peek at the signpost.
What about this 5th and 6th Organon stuff? That Kent
took his philosophy from the 5th, but by the time Hahnemann was
working in Paris, he was mixing remedies, repeating remedies,
etc.?
He was always experimenting.
So, `Dare to know`? Aude sapere. I’m sure Hahnemann
must have meant this science to grow and blossom and put forth
more fruit, which you’re a part of doing by virtue of having this
School and the one in the States. So I’m just wondering how easy
it is for you to hold the principles, and go `out` from the principles
in new directions. Does that happen in your prescribing?
I don’t know
what to say. Basically, once I had sorted myself out of the confusion
of my salad days in homeopathy, nothing has changed. The underlying
principles are the same. I didn’t invent them. Hahnemann didn’t
invent them. They’re just there.
So it’s deepening, rather than anything else?
That’s a very
good way of putting it. It’s deepening, or broadening, or widening,
not actually changing.
So it’s becoming more itself, bigger, more expanded?
Absolutely. I
could imagine that something as static as central principles,
could lead some folk into a state of boredom from a philosophical
point of view. Yet, from a practice point of view, it manifestly
does not, because each person, each individual, brings to me their
unique expression. So I’m forever fascinated. Humankind is unbelievably
creative, and as I’ve commented, we’re as creative in our diseases
as we are in anything else. The stories that one hears are more
‘true’ than most of the drama on television. Television can be
false and repetitive, whereas people, when they are revealing
themselves, aren’t. There are some themes that may repeat, of
course, but the individual variations do not. And then there’s
the aspect of relationship, which is forever a new thing, with
each new person. So one’s forever challenged. We don’t need to
have changing principles to be a fully functioning and not bored
or burnt-out, homeopath. Hahnemann was not changing his principles.
He was experimenting on the periphery, with things like dosages,
and what would happen if he gave everybody Sulphur to eradicate
the Psora. He’s not changing his principles, he’s just trying
this Psora theory out, using Sulphur as the means whereby. And
it’s quite manifest from the Journals, the Notebooks that Rima
Hanley translated, that his strategy was most often not working,
yet he kept on trying it, and died on the job, you could say.
He was a very old man.
In the 6th edition,
there’s also talk of laying on of hands, mesmerism. Mesmer was
around, and impressed Hahnemann - so he writes about other healing
methods. The man was at the beginning of a revolution, was part
of that revolution, forever innovative. And all of this while
maintaining his basic handle on principles. What I’m trying to
say is, at the centre of the turning world, there’s always a still
point. So the advice that one would give to any seeker is, seek
the still point at the centre of the turning world, because it’s
universal. And it takes you to that place where you can find contentment!
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Misha Norland, FSHom
Founder & Director, School of Homeopathy
The
School’s Director, Misha Norland is a Fellow and a founding member
of The Society of Homeopaths and was the first editor of its journal.
A practitioner now for over 30 years, he was head of Homeopathic
Research at the first UK homeopathic college. Widely respected
for his teaching and practice skills, he provides numerous lectures
and over the years has taught many of the world’s leading homeopaths.
He is also an international clinical facilitator, lecturer and
author, and is well known for his contributions to journals, conferences
and new materia medica. In addition to running the School in the
UK, he teaches and overviews the assessment standards at the School
of Homeopathy, New York, and is the principal clinical teacher
for the School’s International Study programme. Misha loves to
blend old and new ideas, and to weave information together in
a noteworthy and memorable way.
Lynnie Jenkins
Lynnie
was a student at the School of Homeopathy graduating in 1999.
She has worked with the School as a mentor on the home study programme
for many years. Before discovering her passion for homeopathy
she was a teacher.