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Revisiting: Child Has Scary Virus, Hears Voices!

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To read last month’s full case quiz. Visit – Child Has Scary Virus, Hears Voices!

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Votes:

Stramonium-3

Hyoscyamus

Chamomilla

Aconite

 

OK everybody, first a mea culpa!  I left something out!  It wasn’t part of the info I prescribed on, but, the mother later told me:

“Today she told me randomly that sometimes she feels bigger.  Sounded like Alice in Wonderland.  I am not at home, but she said a while ago that her foot feels giant.”

So, I gave this information to everybody who guessed wrong and gave them second chance to change their vote.  Unfortunately, Miroslav must have left for vacation, so, we have to take his vote with a grain of salt, perhaps he would have changed it.  But…who wants to go first?

Hi Elaine and Shana!

Hi, Maria!

For this month’s quiz my vote is for Stramonium.

If I am wrong I will try again!

You’re not wrong, so don’t try again!

 

Hi Elaine,

Hi Dr. Sebastiano Di Salvo from Italy!

the symptoms of the case are…

 

Boenninghausen

1842 dreams, persistent, continuing after waking [16]

33 illusions (hallucination, obsession) [63]

1076 restlessness bodily [89]

1782 sleep, restless [121]

I have to say, for me, I would take the rubric Mind: restlessness, fever, during.  I think it’s more significant that she had a fever during sleep and that’s when she was restless–during fever.

2082 < temperature, fever, during [90]

1968 < night [120]

 

Complete Repertory 2011

mind; DELUSIONS, imaginations; voices; hears (80)

mind; DREAMS; persistent (30)/mind; THOUGHTS; persistent (294)

I took the rubric, “Dreams, awake, while”.

mind; DELUSIONS, imaginations; voices; hears; scolding her, seems sometimes to be under bed, night agg. (1)

 

Murphy, 3rd ed.

M; Mind; DELUSIONS, general, hallucinations, visions; voices, hears (37)

F; Fevers; AGGRAVATED., during fever (89)

D; Dreams; CONTINUED, waking, after (28)

M; Mind; THOUGHTS, general; persistent (97)

 

RadarOpus

DREAMS – CONTINUATION – dreams, of – waking, after

MIND – THOUGHTS – persistent

MIND – DELUSIONS – voices – hearing

GENERALS – FEVER – during – agg.

Peculiars are hearing voices (without fever) and (less) dreams persistent/thought persistent (during the one night fever).  It will be interesting to know the remedy used by the family (belladonna too?)

The differential diagnosis is Anacardium, Belladonna, Stramonium

My choice is Stramonium

You’re right!

Terrors, night, sleep/waking, hears voices scolding her, dreams/thoughts persistent

The symptom she has been hearing voices.  They are yelling at her and she can’t stop thinking about them!

is of Stramonium

Knerr: DELUSION: HEARING, OF: VOICE, AS IF NEAR RIGHT MASTOID PROCESS A, WERE SCOLDING HER, WORSE NIGHT, VOICE SEEMS SOMETIMES TO BE UNDER BED.

Hering: Hallucinations, as if near right mastoid process a voice were scolding her, worse at night, sometimes voice seemed to be under bed.

Vermeulen Concordant: Heard continually, on right side of occiput, a loud voice, scolding, vituperating and accusing him………..

Thank You

Sebastiano Di Salvo, MD, Italy

Great work, Sebastiano, thank you!  I couldn’t find a rubric “hears voices, scolding” but apparently it’s in The Complete Repertory!  Well!  I’ve said a lot of complain-y things about the Complete Repertory in the past and it looks like now I have to eat my words!  Yes, that rubric is not only IN the Complete Repertory but it’s there as a 4, AND, it’s the only remedy!  Well hey, this rubric tells us all we really need to know!  And what’s more, Stramonium is an addition in the Complete Repertory, as a 2, in the rubric “Dreams: continued after waking”.  Wow!  The Complete is showing itself invaluable in this case!

 

Is anybody else here today?

Hi Elaine,

Really happy to see my name in winner’s list of February quiz.
Oh and a belated happy birthday to Robin.

Thanks!

Now for the case I have taken following rubrics from Complete Repertory 2017-
Mind, Delusions, imagination, voices, hears
Mind, Dreams, continued waking, after
Mind, Dreams, true, seems, on waking
Mind, restlessness, fever during

Chamomilla comes on top followed by Phos, Ign, China
I vote for Chamomilla as it strongly covers delusion of hearing voices which was very prominent in the case.
-Dr. ABHISHEK CHOUDHARY

(INDIA)

Oops! I left out an important symptom!  The child had the delusion that her foot was gigantic–huge!

Oh, if that’s the case I would say that it can be Stramonium.  It covers various delusion, hallucinations that are in this case plus the delusion about enlargement of body parts.

That’s right, you got it!

 

And now I see Jitka from Slovakia is here!

Hi Elaine! According to these two rubrics Hyoscyamus came out in first place :

Hyoscyamus

mind; delusions, imaginations, hallucinations, illusions; hears sounds; voices;

mind; delusions, imaginations, hallucinations, illusions; about self; body; size; parts of body seem too large;

Jitka, I think you are in the right ballpark with Hyoscyamus, but Hysoscyamus has such an unmistakable symptom picture–eccentric behavior, shamelessness, silliness, inappropriate touching, loud laughing, silly laughter, annoying behavior, jealousy, etc. that when we don’t see any of that in the case, it’s hard to go with Hyoscyamus when it can just as easily be another remedy, like Stramonium–and that’s what it is, by the way, Stramonium.

Hearing that fever is the etiology, that it involves night terrors and bad dreams and evil-sounding voices should make us think of Stramonium right away!  Stramonium is our remedy for fright involving the “supernatural”–talking to the dead, evil, graveyards, the color black, hearing voices, etc.  It’s just the first thing we should think of in this arena, and as a confirmation, it also has the delusion that body parts are enlarged.  It’s also listed under “restless during fever”.

Even in my first guessing I had Stramonium on my mind and I was looking for rubrics that could have led to this remedy.

Despite the fact that the Phosphorus seemed like a bad choice, I remained stuck on selected rubrics. This happened even a second time, I felt that it is Stramonium, but it came out from rubrics as second after Hyosc, so I prefered rubrics before a common sense again.

Well, you know, there’s nothing that says the top remedy HAS to be the winning remedy, knowing how imperfect the repertory is; that’s why we always have to use our heads and think.  As a matter of fact, Dr. Di Salvo from Italy actually found materia medica on Stramonium from Knerr, Hering and others that said: “Heard continually, on right side of occiput, a loud voice, scolding, vituperating [blaming, insulting] and accusing him”.  OMG!  That matches the case exactly!  And it’s not in Murphy’s Repertory at all!

 

Miroslav says:

After my complete failure with my beloved Pulsatilla in last case, I tried to solve this quiz, but somehow I got lost in it.  I couldn´t find anything substantial, convincing to identify a remedy,

See what I wrote to Jitka above.

with which I´d had some experience … So I decided for a simple repertorization:

Delusions; hearing voices

Delusions, hearing voices; foreigners

Delusions, hearing voices; night

Hearing; hearing voices of absent persons; at night

Chamomila

From the beginning I thought about Stramonium,

Um….did I mention Stramonium’s the remedy?

it has auditory hallucinations.

And then about Belladonna, Anacardium too.  But I didn’t know to do a differential diagnosis between them.

 

Well, I’m starting to fall asleep–not because of you, Miroslav!– but, I think it’s time we called it a day and thanked our winners:

Maria, Dr. Di Salvio and Dr. Choudhary

Congratulations, guys!  You’re number-one!  You’re number-one!

See ya next time for another great and exciting Hpathy Quiz!

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Elaine Lewis, D.Hom., C.Hom.

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