Revisiting: Claire’s Daughter Gets a Virus–Suddenly

Did you try to come up with a remedy for last month’s acute Quiz?

Mom, its time for the quiz.

And once again, we’re late!

That could be because of our trip to the Virginia border, which brings me right to this month’s Report! My cousin Jon got married on September 6th, so we visited lovely Maryland.

Was it lovely? I hadn’t noticed. Where are all the pictures we took?

I sent them to you, remember?

Oops. Sorry!

wedding edited

view from behind wedding 2

We met members of Jon’s band, Electric Sky–Kurt and Tommy–at the reception.

Yes, and a boy asked you to dance, three times! And I was complimented on my Bee Gees T-shirt!

Yes, and here’s the thing, Mom, it doesn’t fit you anymore. Can I have it? Well, on to the death report…

We’re on the Death Report already?

The lead guitarist of REO Speedwagon, Gary Richrath, died.

Aw…what a shame. Who’s Richard Richrath?

Gary Richrath! You may have seen me post about it on Facebook.

How could I have missed that?

He also wrote a few of their songs, one of which is the one I really like called “Take it on the Run”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-RKG6sKIs0

He also does great guitar work on a song called “Keep on Loving You”.

If you say so…

Here it is on the Midnight Special. I didn’t know Reo Speedwagon was on the Midnight Special.

It defies comprehension.

Anyway, in non-death news…

We have non-death news too? The Quiz is so versatile!

Jeff Lynne signed a deal with Columbia Records to put out a new ELO album.

Is that sooooooo…?

It’s the first album of new material in fifteen years!

I did not know that!

It seems a lot of people are putting out/have put out new albums after many years of not putting out a new album.

Who knew? It’s shocking.

No, it’s exciting!!! Also, I read that Barry Gibb…

Finally a name I recognize!

is putting out a new album. I just don’t know when its going to come out. Also guess what else?

I have to guess? Wait, don’t tell me, don’t tell me…. I’m usually very good at this…. Um….Does it have anything to do with ducks?

The Rolling Stones…

Oh, The Rolling Stones! That would have been my second guess!

…are planning a new album. I think its all rumors at the moment.

Oh great! So now we’re passing on rumors! Our column has hit a new low.

I’m waiting for more confirmation. I want a new Stones album.

Is this going to cost me money?

Of course if they tour behind the album it would probably cost millions of dollars.

I don’t think I can afford to buy a Stones album for millions of dollars!

No, the tour, Mom! I really want to see the Rolling Stones one day.

Shana, if you’ll remember, the last time you tried to buy tickets for a Rolling Stones concert, you stood in line for hours, and they were all sold out!

Don’t remind me, it’s not fair!!! Wah!!!! Well anyway, Don Henley of the Eagles and James Taylor are going to be on tv to do a PBS music show called Austin City Limits.

Now that’s something we can afford–a tv show!

Anyway, its about that time of year again…my favorite tv shows are coming back for the fall! The Big Bang Theory has its season 9 premiere on the 21st and that new Muppet tv show premieres on the 22nd. YAAAAY!!

Spare me.

I thought you liked The Muppets!

I did, when you were 5!

Mom, in case you haven’t noticed, the Muppets are for the Ages! There’s a new South Park this Wednesday (I can’t believe its been renewed up to season 23.) The Simpsons has been renewed for seasons 27 and 28 and Harry Shearer is back as the voice of Mr. Burns. Grey’s Anatomy will come back for season 12, though I don’t know if I will watch it but I probably will. I feel like it should’ve ended already. My favorite vampire shows wont be back until October.

How tragic. Can we start the quiz now?

What is the quiz?

Claire’s daughter gets a virus–suddenly.

Is that going to be the title?

Good idea, Shana, what would the Quiz be without you? Well, obviously, it would be shorter. So let’s bring in Claire, shall we? And now, heeeeeeeeeeere’s Claire!

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Strange “acute” happened last night, Elaine. Everyone was fine, “Matilda” got emotionally upset about something and wandered off to another part of the house. Then she came back to me and wanted a hug; she sat quietly for a while as I was doing something, and then told me she all of a sudden had a headache!

Because of her usual disposition, I thought I would try Pulsatilla because there were no other symptoms. It did nothing. Then, she said she still had a headache but now also felt nauseated! Her face felt a little warm. I gave Ipecac, which did nothing. Not sure what to do next; I asked her, “Did you have a little headache and it got bigger? Or did you just suddenly have a hurting head?” She said it was sudden.

I checked her eyes. Pupils not dilated, no glassy appearance. Hands and feet not cold. She sat on my lap, seemed a little scared. I decided to give her _______________. Within a minute of a dry dose of 30c, she threw up. The nausea was now gone, and the headache was fading and gone entirely by a few minutes past the remedy; she was back to her usual playful, silly self, normal temperature as well.

I don’t know if I stopped a virus from blooming, or what that was exactly, but, I was so happy to have resolved it in minutes! She is fine today, as is everyone else.

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OK, everybody! This is what homeopathy is all about, isn’t it? Seizing a threat and sending it on its way before it can do any damage? This is why we should all have a 30C Homeopathy Emergency Kit in our homes!

remedy kit 2

What was the remedy Claire gave? Write to me at LEWRA@aol.com and let me know! The answer will be in next month’s ezine. OK, see ya soon! Bye-bye!

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Votes

Phosphorus-2

Aconite-4

Gelsemium

Nux vomica

OK, who wants to be first this time?

Hello Elaine & Shana,

Hello Wayne from Australia!

Seems like this girl had an emotional upset and she needed consolation or she was fearful.
Most probable remedies would be Phosphorus, Nat Mur or Ignatia.
A sudden headache has Ignatia, as does headache with nausea, only very weakly.
Phosphorus runs through the rest and could probably be given with effect.
It is not Belladonna, no dilation of the pupils.  A slight fever is strongly Phosphorus, with Ipecac less so.
Ignatia is worse for consolation, although the headache is sudden.
All slightly confusing.  I will go for Phosphorus.

Well, Wayne, the key to this case was the word “sudden”.  I’m thinking this could be the first signs of a stomach flu or gastro-intestinal virus of some sort.  We have two main remedies for “sudden onset”–Aconite and Belladonna.  Thinking it might be Belladonna, Claire looked to see if there were dilated pupils or glassy eyes or cold extremities.  Finding nothing of the sort, she went to our other sudden onset remedy, Aconite, which was confirmed by the child’s fearfulness, and she was right.  

The point of this quiz was to show how “onset” can be the deciding factor in a case, it’s right near the top of our “hierarchy of symptoms”, something I wrote about in a previous article:

https://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/acute-vs-chronic-remedies-the-hierarchy-of-symptoms-and-the-kitchen-sink/print/

Here’s an excerpt from that article:

This is the value in having a hierarchy of symptoms because…knowing that you will most likely NOT be able to match every symptom in the case with the same remedy, you will at least know to match what’s at the top of the hierarchy and be successful.

We’re more concerned that the remedy match what’s at the top–usually the mental and emotional symptoms–than what’s at the very bottom, which are usually the local physical symptoms.

In this context, the remedy that matches the Generals would be of more value, more likely to cure, than the remedy that matches only the Particulars. The Generals are the symptoms that start with the word, “I” or “I’m”: “I want air!” “I want to go home!” “I’m thirsty!” “I want to be left alone,” and so on.  The local symptoms start with “MY”: “My nose is stopped up!” “My eye itches.”

Even higher than the mental/emotionals in the hierarchy is the Etiology (the cause) …!

Now, since I brought it up, here is the standard hierarchy:

  1. Etiology (“Ailments From” or “Never Well Since” a certain trauma, event or illnesss)
  2. Diagnosis (the name of the condition: Measles? PMS? Arthritis? Gallstones?) Some of you are going to say, “Isn’t that allopathy?” If I don’t know what you have, if I don’t know the name of your illness, I won’t know which chapter of the Repertory to look in!

You can have a rash, for example, but what’s it from? Is it an allergy? Is it the measles? Is it poison ivy? … Knowing the answer to this will tell me what the primary rubric is; so, having a diagnosis is basic.  Now, keep in mind, you don’t always need a doctor to acquire this information, sometimes what’s wrong with a person is quite obvious; but, you do have to ask your patient, and if he says, “I don’t know, I don’t know what’s wrong with me,” ask him, “When did it start?  What were you doing that day or around that time?  Re-trace your steps, give me the run-down.”

  1. Onset (sudden or gradual?)

A sudden onset might trump everything in the case and lead to an immediate consideration of Aconite or Belladonna and maybe even Baptisia in septic states.

  1. Delusions and Strange/Rare and Peculiar symptoms
  2. Mentals (symptoms like confusion, forgetfulness, poor concentration, stupor.)
  3. Emotionals (fear, crying, yelling, whining, making demands, throwing things, etc.)
  4. Physical Generals (“I’m thirsty”, “I’m cold”, “I want to sleep”, “I’m nauseous”, “I want ice”, “I want the lights out”, etc.)
  5. Local symptoms (“My leg hurts”, “My eye itches”, “My throat is sore”, “My nose is stopped up.”)

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OK, so who else is here today?

Hi Elaine!

Oh look! It’s Maryam from Pakistan!

Hope you are good.

You were looking gorgeous in the snap with your brother.

Really? I was? Thanks! Now have your eyes examined!

My vote for this month’s quiz is Aconite.

You’re right!!!!

She got a sudden headache, and she is scared.

Exactly!

And I have noticed one more thing that pupils are not dilated, hands and feet are not cold which differentiate it from belladonna.

Right again!

Regards,

Maryam from Pakistan.

 

Thanks again, Maryam! Do we have another caller on the line? Speak up, caller. You’re on the air at hpathy.com!

Hi Elaine,

Hi Anurag!

For this month’s quiz, my answer is Gelsemium!

The sudden onset of Headache marked with nausea and fear indicates this remedy.

Thanks to confirm!

Regards,

Anurag

Anurag, Gelsemium isn’t in the “sudden onset” rubric. In Murphy’s 3rd ed., you’d go to the Clinical chapter, and then go alphabetically to “Diseases, general, Complaints and Symptoms, sudden manifestations” and the 2 remedies in bold are: Aconite and Belladonna. Gelsemium’s not there. Meanwhile, as this is a 7 year old child, and children aren’t prone to getting headaches the way adults are, I would look at this more as the beginning of a virus similar to the flu; and therefore, I wouldn’t bother with the headache chapter, as headache is a common virus symptom; if you think of this only as a headache, it can be misleading–even though the correct remedy was listed under “Headaches, sudden”, just not in the highest degree. Our two main remedies for sudden onset of a virus are Aconite and Belladonna; so, Claire checked for Belladonna confirmatories and found nothing, so, she gave the other sudden onset remedy and it worked!

Yes! I agree with you. I was not sure about Gelsemium either.

I believe Gelsemium is known for slow onset.  Look at “Generals: pain, appear gradually, the pains”–only two remedies in bold: Gelsemium and Conium, Ignatia is in italics.  All the rest plain type.

I wanted to write Belladonna instead.  If Belladonna symptoms not there, Aconite is a good choice for sudden onset of symptoms (I dropped it when Claire mentions “Hands and feet not cold”).

You dropped the ball.  You’ll get it back next time!

 

Who do we have next?  Oh look!  It’s Miroslav and Jitka!

Hello Elaine and Shana, we hope that we are not too late with our responses to the September quiz.

No, not late at all!

We have read carefully your article “Acute vs chronic remedies, the hierarchy of symptoms and the kitchen sink”.

Catchy little title, isn’t it?  You should have no problem with this quiz at all.

Now you can see whether it was useful for one of us..:)

OK, let’s see!

Miroslav says: Nux vomica

D’oh!

After a short repertorization I picked Nux-v. :

There was actually no need to repertorize this case.

Rubrics :

Mind, being held, amel.

No, no, no, no, no. All children want to be held, it’s common, and we don’t repertorize common symptoms.  She’s 7 years old, so it means nothing.  If she was indifferent to being comforted and held while sick, that would be very striking and we would surely want the remedy to cover that.

Headaches, agitated, emotional, after

No, look, here’s the problem. Kids get upset all the time, at least 10 times a day, it doesn’t mean anything unless it’s extreme.  Also, 7-year-olds don’t get headaches like adults do.  If a child reports having a headache, you have to wonder or consider the possibility that she’s coming down with a virus and maybe even the flu.  Claire did say that “Matilda” felt “warm”. And then when she said it’s now taking on another symptom–nausea–all the more reason to suspect a virus!  So what we really have here, then, is a sudden onset of a virus, possibly a stomach flu.

Headache, vomiting with headache

No, no, no, I knew someone would get tripped up by that!  This is not a case of headache with vomiting.  In fact, vomiting isn’t part of the case at all!  The vomiting didn’t occur until after the remedy was given, and you do know that the right remedy typically leads to discharges, right?  In fact, here’s another quiz where the same thing happened, headache followed by vomiting after the right remedy was given:

https://hpathy.com/clinical-cases/revisiting-homeopathy-in-the-middle-of-the-night/

It would be very useful for you to look at it.  So, the vomiting is caused by the remedy (or the case resolving) it signals the end of the case, and after that, everything is over and all is well! If vomiting had been part of the case, it would have just led to more vomiting, not a cure!  Can you see that?  Unless it is just a case of bad food or water, in which instance vomiting once MIGHT conceivably end the case.

Headaches, stomach headache

Stomach, vomiting improves – (MM Phatak)

Mind, confusion, mental confusion

No, none of this matters, and I don’t even think mental confusion was part of the case.  You told me you read my article on the hierarchy of symptoms but you made the same mistake as the example given at the end where a sun headache seems to be Sulphur, looking only at the symptoms at the bottom of the hierarchy–the local symptoms; but, if one starts at the top of the hierarchy, the remedy is clearly Belladonna.

In the case of “Matilda”, you started at the bottom of the hierarchy and repertorized the local symptoms, ignoring “sudden onset” and the two essential remedies that cover it–Belladonna and Aconite!  And since “onset” is at or near the top, the remedy has to be one of those two!

Look, it’s like this, if the 2 of us are playing cards, and I’ve got a Queen, and all you’ve got is a 3, a 5 and a 9, all your cards are irrelevant, my Queen wins!  Do you see that?  Does everybody see that?  All those low cards mean nothing!  

So Claire tried to confirm Belladonna by checking for dilated pupils, glassy eyes and cold extremities and none were there; so, with Belladonna eliminated, there was only Aconite left standing.  So Aconite wins.  All those other “symptoms” in the case were like “low cards”! Unless you’ve got a King or an Ace, Aconite wins! 

Here’s the thing, people.  It is hardly ever that you have an illness where the proposed remedy covers everything–the locals, the generals, the mentals, the peculiars, the onset, the etiology….etc.  So, knowing that your remedy’s not going to cover everything, what MUST it cover?  The TOP of the hierarchy!  Why look for other remedies when your case has “sudden onset” and you know there are only 2 sudden onset remedies?  Why repertorize when you know it’s either Aconite or Belladonna?  All you have to do is confirm or eliminate Belladonna!

Some people make the mistake of making “sudden onset” just one more in a sea of many rubrics chosen for the case, such as: 1. headache, 2. sudden onset, 3. nausea, and then repertorize and the #1 remedy wins!  No, the hierarchy of symptoms nullifies that approach.  What this approach tells you is that if you’ve got the mentals of Arsenicum, for example, in a case, but there are a myriad of physical symptoms in the case as well, which could be almost anything, you are going to give Arsenicum!  Why?  Because being a “mental”, it trumps all the physical particulars below it!

This is the value of Jonathan Breslow’s book Homeopathic Medicine In The Home.  Breslow is the only person, to my knowledge, who has written a book on how to take an acute case! Everyone would do well to have it!

Jitka says: Phosphorus

Oops, sorry, it’s not Phosphorus.

Mind, sensitive; children– PHOSP

No, we actually know nothing about “Matilda’s” sensitivity to make this judgement.

Mind, agitated, excited children in– 2phosp

No, no, no, you’re assuming information not in evidence.  In fact, she was sitting rather quietly in her mother’s lap.

Mind; emotions; becomes ill after strong emotions– 2phosp

There was no evidence of “strong” emotions.  Kids are emotional anyway.  Imagine if they got sick every time they became moderately emotional, they’d all be sick constantly!

Mind; fear; groundless– 2 phosp

No, she didn’t have groundless fear, she was afraid because she didn’t feel well.

Mind: fear in children, night– PHOSP

This isn’t a case of fear at night in a child, it’s fear when sick; or, in repertory language, “anxiety about health”.  People are too often choosing rubrics without giving careful thought.

Mind, being held; desires– PHOSP

It’s common in children, so, we don’t pay any attention to it.

Headache, agitation, emotions, after– PHOSP

You know, the whole “emotional” so-called etiology in the case was too vague to draw any conclusions from so I just ignored it.

Headaches, nausea, during– 2phosp

Well, again, go back and read my remarks to Miroslav.  I can see that this was a very important quiz because people need to learn about the hierarchy of symptoms AND being much more careful in choosing symptoms.

Elaine, I actually thought it was Aconite but I thought that would be too easy.

D’oh!

Best regards, Jitka

 

We have time for one last contestant.  Go ahead, caller, you’re on the air at hpathy.com!

Hi Elaine and Shana, my vote for this month’s quiz is Aconitum.  Mostly for the sudden onset and the scared look.  I couldn’t come up with something better, maybe I missed something as usual.  I’ll try again if I am wrong.

No, Maria, you are not wrong!  I repeat, not wrong!

Wow, it’s been a while since I voted correctly 😛

Actually, this is exactly how I saw it: sudden onset, scared.  Aconite.

Did we learn about the hierarchy of symptoms today?  That was the importance of the quiz.

And now it’s time to give a shout-out to our winners!  Congratulations go to……

Dr. Salma Afroz

Maria

Maryam from Pakistan

Dr. Saroj from Mumbai

 

Bye-bye, see you again next time on the Hpathy Quiz!!!!

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Elaine Lewis, D.Hom., C.Hom.

Elaine takes online cases! Write to her at LEWRA@aol.com

Visit her website: elaineLewis.hpathy.com

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Elaine Lewis

Elaine Lewis

Elaine Lewis, D.Hom., C.Hom.
Elaine is a passionate homeopath, helping people offline as well as online. Contact her at LEWRA@aol.com
Elaine is a graduate of Robin Murphy's Hahnemann Academy of North America and author of many articles on homeopathy including her monthly feature in the Hpathy ezine, "The Quiz". Visit her website at:
https://elainelewis.hpathy.com/ and TheSilhouettes.org

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Shana Lewis

Shana Lewis

Shana spices up the Hpathy Quiz with her timely announcements and reviews on the latest in pop culture. Her vast knowledge of music before her time has inspired the nickname: "Shanapedia"!

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