Case Quizes Clinical Cases

Revisiting: Panic Attack!

What homeopathic remedy cured this scary case?

Hello everyone and welcome to the Hpathy Quiz!  But first, here’s Shana with some unimportant announcements!

Mom, you said, “unimportant”.

I did????  That was a mistake!  I meant to say time-consuming.

Here are my announcements for the month of August, 2019.  Announcement the first:  I am very excited to announce that The Bee Gees “One” album turned 30 last month (on July 25th).

Don’t look now but nobody cares.

They dedicated the album to their younger brother, Andy…

…which is beautiful and sad at the same time.  In my opinion, you know an album is good when you can listen to every song and not skip one.  I know you say that most songs on albums are B-sides or throw-aways but this is a good album!

If you say so.

Anyway, here is “One”, one of the greatest songs ever committed to paper.

Are you kidding???  The greatest song?  Don’t you think that’s a little over-blown?????

Well, what would you say?

There must be something worth mentioning on this CD!

Well, now that you mention it…. I do have something to share regarding “It’s My Neighborhood”.

“It’s My Neighborhood”, now that’s a good song!

It was apparently originally written for Michael Jackson!  For the “Bad” album.

However it ended up not getting used.

What???  No way!  I can see Michael singing that!  He never should have turned it down!

He wanted to write his own songs!

Well, that turned out really well, didn’t it!

Mom, there’s nothing wrong with “Bad”, and, for that matter, “The Way You Make Me Feel”!

“The Way You Make Me Feel” is “Bad” and very shrill.  I can really see Michael doing “It’s My Neighborhood”, it would have been the best song on an otherwise “Bad” album!

OK!  Enough with the puns about how bad “Bad” was!  It wasn’t that Bad!  Here’s “It’s My Neighborhood” by The Bee Gees from the “One” album which turned 30 last month:

And now for the Death Report!  “The Simpsons” lost another long time cast member, Russi Taylor (voice of Martin Prince).

 

She was 75.  Funny thing is she was also the voice of Minnie Mouse (since 1986) and Disney now owns “The Simpsons”.

I hear there’s going to be a sequel to the 2007 Simpsons movie at some point.  Hard to imagine it without Martin.  Remember our Bart Simpson Quiz?

Bart had to study for a History test and ended up befriending Martin in order to get a good grade.

He didn’t get a good grade, but he did manage to turn Martin into a juvenile delinquent!

Geez, what will the Simpsons be like without Martin? 

So listen, Shana, there’s one more death to report, and we’re a little late with this one, but, it’s only because no one told us about it!!!!  You remember the song “Those Oldies But Goodies” by Little Caesar and the Romans?  You know the guy who, at the end, says, “Yes dear, they are playing our song; and it will always remain our song…”?  That was David Johnson.  He died 10 months ago–October 25, 2018–at 84.  I love this song, it says all there is to say about a certain golden age of music that will never come again; but, fortunately, has left so much treasure behind!

“Those oldies but goodies remind me of you, the songs of the past bring back memories of you, I always will remember that first night we met, the songs they were playing I never will forget…”   Little Caesar and the Romans:

 

 

And now we should probably start the Quiz!  In contrast to last month’s very long and ponderous quiz, this one is very short and sweet!  I know a lot of you out there are breathing a sigh of relief to hear that!  Here we go with…”Panic Attack!”  This is from “Miss Piggie” (not her real name):

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Elaine, something is up.

I think it was yesterday, I had a fine day, nothing particularly stressful.

So suddenly, around dinner time, without exerting myself, I had a bad panic experience.  I can feel my pulse going faster than it should, my whole insides feel like a live wire (like an electric buzzing charge).  I’m feeling edgy, like there is too much adrenaline circulating.  And all this with no precipitating event to cause anxiety or edginess or any of it!

I tried Rescue Remedy and other Bach Flower Essences; I was starting to mentally “writhe”, wanting to escape my body; feelings of unreality, floaty, very dissociative.  The feeling you have in response to the floaty, unreal feelings is to want to somehow jump out of your own skin/head.

After about half an hour I could not take it anymore.  So I took a single pellet of _______________30C.

Within minutes, things subsided, I felt like my feet hit the floor again, emotionally speaking.  The rest of the evening felt level and today feels normal.  I had no fear it would happen again, which normally I would.

Yours truly,

Miss Piggie

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So what do you think, everybody?  If you know the remedy, write to me at [email protected], the answer will be in next month’s ezine.  See you then!

Mom!  You forgot again, didn’t you!

What?

To play us out with “See You In September”!

Its time for that again?  No way!  OMG, where does the time go?????  OK, here it is, “See You In September” by the Happenings!

Bye-bye, so long, farewell!

 

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Votes

Aconite-3
Cann-i.
Arsenicum

 

OK everybody, we’re back!  Geez, by the looks of things, an awful lot of people who normally answer, didn’t!  Was this quiz too hard?

Hi Elaine!

Hi Neil from England!

The remedy I’m going for is Aconite.  This is probably too simple as it is an immediate go-to thought.  There is no etiology just a sudden onset, a rapid pulse, a great feeling of agitation ‘an electrical buzz’ she calls it.  The floating or unreality could be a way of dissociating.

Cannabis is in bold for feelings of unreality and delusions of unreality also under panic so was tempted but its not under rapid pulse and I’m assuming, as this was the first thing she mentioned, it is her most prominent symptom.

You’re right, Neil.  Panic Attack with sudden onset…that spells “Aconite” to me!  And the rapid heart beat is a good confirmation.
Is anybody else here today?

Hi Elaine and Shana!

Hi Maria!!!

For this month’s quiz my vote goes to Cannabis indica.
In murphy’s repertory it is in second grade under panic attacks but I read in Radar’s keynotes:
– DELUSIONS. Everything seems unreal.
– FLOATING SENSATIONS OF BODY OR PARTS OF BODY.

If I am wrong I will try again 😀

Well, Maria, first of all, in the Repertory, let’s go to “Mind: panic attacks”.  Cann-i (Cannabis indica) is there as a 2 but, there are a number of 4’s and a number of 3’s too!  Now, remember our Hierarchy Of Symptoms?  What’s right up there near the top?  “Sudden Onset”!  Remember Miss Piggie said it came on suddenly?  So, “sudden onset” over-rules everything that’s underneath it!  And what number is “Sudden Onset” from the top?  It’s number-3.
It goes like this:
1. Etiology
2. Diagnosis
3. Sudden Onset

So, the etiology is unknown; the diagnosis is panic attack, and onset is sudden.  So, we need a panic remedy that has sudden onset.  Which remedy is that?

Aconite?  I missed totally the sudden onset 🙁

Yes, Aconite!  You know, it should probably be our first thought for panic attack anyway, especially with rapid heartbeat!

Now, who else is here today?

Oh, look! It’s the gang from Slovakia!

Hello Elaine and Shana,

Hi Miroslav and Jitka!

We reasoned your quiz about the panic attack of Miss Piggie as follows:

Miroslav answers: Arsenicum album–

As there is no etiology mentioned, I have to “lean on” only the referred symptoms.  If this case hadn’t mentioned nervousness / irritability, I answer Aconitum.  However, because of these facts, I choose Arsenicum album.

Miroslav, there was no mention of nervousness or irritability here.  She said she felt “on-edge”, like too much adrenaline pumping.  What you missed here was the “sudden onset” she spoke about, which might have helped you.

Jitka answers: Aconitum.

Jitka is right!

When you said that many of us are breathing a sigh of relief over a short quiz, surely you were thinking of me!  I mean, I didn´t have to translate much..:)

Oh yeah, you must have had a ton of translating to do last month!  (Sorry!)

I suppose that a remedy for Miss Piggie is in the rubric Mind: Panic, anxiety attacks.  In the rubric Heart: Palpitations, there is a big amount of remedies, so, no help in solving this case there.

So, wait a minute Jitka.  You started out on the right foot by saying that the remedy would have to be in “Mind: Panic attacks”.  From there you go to “sudden onset” which would surely put you on the track of Aconite.  Then you would only need to go to “Heart: palpitations” to confirm Aconite, if you needed to.

Those strange feelings like the floaty, unreal feelings, wanting to escape her body; feelings of unreality, an electric buzzing charge and so on I couldn’t know how to convert them to rubrics and that’s why I didn’t even find them in the Repertory.  I considered about Cannabis indica, but I couldn’t confirm this remedy with rubrics too.  At least I summarized what was clear to me: Panic attack, palpitations and sudden onset…

That’s all you needed, Jitka.

Also I found an information that there is weakness and loss of power of the extremities in Aconitum.

Best wishes
Jitka

 

Hey, everybody, Vamsi’s in the house!!!!!

Elaine, I really don’t know if I have time to answer this quiz , but I would do so even though I am late.

Panic Attack, the following remedies strike here.

1. Pulse going faster and no cause for anxiety
( Calls for Aconite here, as anxiety is sudden and violent. )
2. Feel like a live wire ( is this Phosphorous ?? )
3. Floaty sensation ( Aconite )
4. Feeling of Dissociation ( under MIND) ( calls for Phosporous)
5. Could not locate rubric for this symptom: ” want to somehow jump out of your own skin/head.”

Elaine, I finally got Murphy’s Repertory and could list of few of the major symtoms based on this.  But now I am finding it difficult to decide on Aconite or Phosphorous ( is any of these the right remedy at all ?? )

Yes.

Please let me know.  Though this quiz looks small its quite intriguing.

Vamsi, read “Repertory Round-Up part-4” again, especially the part about The Hierarchy Of Symptoms, and then tell me the answer:

https://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/tidbits-50-repertory-round-part-4/

Elaine, you are a GEM.

I is?  Wow!  My mother was right!!!!!

What a great article!  I read it a long time back but reading it over makes lots of things clearer.  I guess I should start reading all your Tidbits articles over again.

Well, if you want to….

Yes!!!  Etiology rules on the top for all cases!  But here we do not have the “Top Drawer” as you put it (Etiology).

Correct.

Next “drawer” in the Hierarchy Of Symptoms, Drawer # 2, ( Diagnosis )

We actually have a diagnosis, Vamsi–Panic Attack.

Now we are in Drawer # 3 ( Sudden Onset ).
Sudden Onset rules the case.

You’re very close, Vamsi.  We need to combine these two “drawers”– Sudden Onset with Diagnosis– because there are too many remedies listed under diagnosis (Panic Attack), and we have to have a way of narrowing the choices down.  We phrase our summary of the case like this:

“I need a Panic Attack remedy that has sudden onset.”

With no further doubt, I would go for ACONITE.

You are right!!!!!

Elaine, please let me know your thoughts.

My thought is that people really need to go back and read “Repertory Round-Up, part-4” again.

https://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/tidbits-50-repertory-round-part-4/

Almost everyone thought they had to be responsible for every symptom in the case; but, The Hierarchy Of Symptoms says No.  If you can cover the top of the hierarchy?  You’re done!

Cheers,
Vamsi.

So look.  You start at the top.  Is there an etiology?  No; so you go down to #2.  Is there a diagnosis?  Yes–“Panic Attack”!  Is that rubric too big, too many remedies in it to choose from?  Yes!  So we move down to #3, “sudden onset”.  Is there a Sudden Onset here?  Yes!  And you know, when a case has Sudden Onset, you’re down to basically 2 remedies–Aconite and Belladonna!  Now with the addition of “sudden onset”, and finding Aconite also in the diagnosis rubric (panic attack), we’re done; so, do we have to look any further into this case?  No!  Do we have to concern ourselves with “floaty feeling” and “electricity” all the other things she said?  No!

OK, so, let’s congratulate our winners!
Vamsi, Jitka and Neil.
And thanks to all of you who voted!  See you again next time!
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Elaine Lewis, D.Hom., C.Hom.

Elaine takes online cases and animal cases too!

Write to her at [email protected]

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About the author

Elaine Lewis

Elaine Lewis, D.Hom., C.Hom.
Elaine is a passionate homeopath, helping people offline as well as online. Contact her at [email protected]
Elaine is a graduate of Robin Murphy's Hahnemann Academy of North America and author of many articles on homeopathy including her monthly feature in the Hpathy ezine, "The Quiz". Visit her website at:
https://elainelewis.hpathy.com/ and TheSilhouettes.org

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Shana Lewis

Shana spices up the Hpathy Quiz with her timely announcements and reviews on the latest in pop culture. Her vast knowledge of music before her time has inspired the nickname: "Shanapedia"!

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