Diane Fuller on Homeopathy and Muscle Testing

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Diane shows us how learning various forms of muscle testing can help us select the right remedy, right potency, right number of cups, succussions and anything else we might need to know in prescribing.

Diane, you were here not too long ago and gave us information on how to antidote troublesome aggravations (see “The Aggravation Zapper”: http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/the-aggravation-zapper/).

Elaine @ Sabrinas

Elaine

I understand now that you’re going to tell us how we can be more accurate with our remedy selections through “muscle-testing”.

I love muscle testing, Elaine! It helps me to determine where there are weak areas in the body, and which remedies will be most helpful.

DianeFuller

Diane

I like to muscle test clients on their first visit. There are many versions of muscle testing. I use a simple test. I have the person extend one arm at shoulder level and resist my pressure on that wrist, while using their other hand to touch an area to be tested.

I find that when an area of the body is touched that has some kind of a blockage of energy (i.e. a bruise or pain or infection etc.) they will be unable to continue to extend their arm when it is pressed at the wrist.

If they are tested again while holding a remedy that will stimulate the body to unblock that energy or heal that area, on that specific point, they will be able to hold their extended arm very rigid and strong when it is pressed at the wrist.

I usually test lung, liver, spleen, adrenals, small intestine, colon, lower pelvis, and kidney areas, as well as any area where there is pain or difficulty.

Areas of pain make the extended arm instantly weak! There is always a look of astonishment after muscle testing and finding several very weak areas that go strong immediately when an appropriate remedy is held on them.

I always test the areas of the body before giving a remedy because the instant a remedy is taken, all the weak spots test strong. This happens when a remedy is inhaled or taken by mouth. If the person is already taking a homeopathic remedy that is helping, their weak points will be strong and the muscle test will not show them. They will, however, test weak or strong with any remedy you are testing, even though testing their body for weak spots will not give accurate information.

You can also muscle test to discover how often the remedy should be taken and to find the best potency. I encourage clients to learn to muscle test so they can test before each dose of the remedy to see if they need it that day, and how often they need it.

I won’t give a remedy unless it tests strong on all the weak points… that is, each area that has tested weak without the remedy, tests strong when the remedy is held on it.

There are also two points that I like to use to confirm the remedy and they are on the cheek and the knee. I don’t know why, but in my experience, if a remedy tests strong on those points, it seems to test strong on all the other points.


I guess to test the knee, the patient has to be sitting down? Is he standing otherwise?

 

Normally I test patients standing. Most people can test the knee spot while standing by bending slightly and touching the remedy to their knee. If that is too awkward for them, they can sit.

There are several simple muscle tests that can be done by an individual without having to have another person to press down on their arm. The one I find the best is the “leaning test”.

If you hold whatever it is you want to test (food, vitamins, herbs, or remedies etc.) on the chest or solar plexus, close your eyes and ask the question, “Is this good for me?” then, keeping the question in mind, stand quietly until you begin to sway. Normally, people lean forward, toward what they are holding if it is good for them, and backwards, or away from the item if it is not good for them.

Some people don’t lean in the usual directions – one man went around in circles for “Yes” and sideways for “No” which was simple to figure out using the regular muscle test on the same items he tested himself on.

However, Diane, if you’re holding something to your chest, you can’t really back away from it because, well, you’re holding it! Are you saying a bad remedy will make you sway in a certain direction, while a good remedy will cause a different kind of swaying?  Oh wait!  I just found a youtube video on the swaying method!  Go to youtube and type in “sway test” and many of these videos come up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMB28RhfRsY 

You are right Elaine! You can’t really back away from a remedy you are holding to your chest, but it helps people to remember that if they start going backwards, it is as if they are trying to back away from the remedy albeit unsuccessfully!

Yes, if you are able to do this type of muscle testing, and some people can’t seem to do it, if you hold something that is not good for you, you will lean backwards, and if it is good for you, you will lean forwards. However, people do not always respond with a yes as forward, and a no as backwards although most do. Try it – if you test with kitchen spices you often get a good response. Or, try a 50M of something – that should get some movement happening!

Some people become very good at muscle testing themselves and it makes taking remedies much easier and more effective because they are taking them according to their body’s needs, and not somebody else’s ideas of what they need. But, some people just don’t seem to get the knack of it and can’t seem to make it work.

Testing of very ill people who are not able to extend their arm, as well as testing babies, small children and animals or plants can be done through another person.

muscle testing child

For example, the mother can, with one hand, touch the areas to be tested on her baby while her extended arm is pressed down at the wrist to see if the areas are weak or strong. Over ten years ago, this method worked very well on my infant granddaughter who was suffering from colic. By testing the different areas of her body we could find the exact spot on her abdomen that was painful. Testing several different remedies on that spot led us to the one that was the most helpful. As a new remedy was needed, the first one would test weak, and then it was time to look for a new one.

When a baby is screaming and unable to tell the parents where the pain is, it can be a very frightening experience. Parents using muscle testing as a tool, can test the different areas of the body and discover if the pain is from an earache, a chest problem or an abdominal ailment by touching those areas.

Catherine is a great believer in muscle testing. She told her doctor she wanted to muscle test herself on some pills he wanted her to take. When she muscle tested weak, she said she didn’t want them. He didn’t object.

There are many different ways of muscle testing or kinesiology. This method is one that I have developed over the years since I first discovered that it could make such a difference with Catherine. Muscle testing has served me well, and I am very thankful for having learned it those many years ago.


OK, I think I get this. Do you try to get a baseline first by saying, “Just extend your arm and let me see how much strength you have by resisting my efforts to push your arm down at your wrist.”?


You can do that. I normally don’t have to do that, but in the beginning I did. With small children around 3 years old, you might want to do that – I make it a game with them to “see how strong you are”. Then you need a very minute pressure – I would use one finger and gently press on the arm. It is surprising how strong even a child can be when they are testing a good remedy. I find that you can test children as young as 3 years old if you make it a game, although some children at that age don’t get it and you have to test them through an adult.

Then, I take it that you ask them, if, for example, they have a headache, to touch their head with their free hand while you again try to push down their arm?

Yes, I ask them where the pain is in their head, and tell them to put their hand on that spot. They can’t hold their other arm up with their hand on that spot.

Then, on a third try, you have them hold a remedy to their head and hopefully, if it’s the right remedy, their arm will be stronger than it was the previous time?

Yes, if the remedy is a good one, they will test strong. If the remedy is not good, their arm will be weak and they won’t be able to hold it up.

Do I have this right? Or do you skip step-one completely and go right to step-2?

If you are just beginning to muscle test, you might want to test to see how strong they are at first, and then go to step 2. Men tend to push too hard sometimes when muscle testing a woman or a child and may decide muscle testing doesn’t work or that the woman always tests weak. In those situations, it is good for them to gauge the woman’s strength before muscle testing.

Another problem can happen when instead of pushing firmly, gently and evenly on the extended arm, a rough, jerky push is given and the arm comes down. The object is to gauge the strength of the arm, not to try and pull it down by catching the person off guard! This often happens when you ask children to help you with a muscle test – they seem to be quite happy to be able to make an adult “test weak”.

If they’re right handed, do you muscle-test their right arm?

Before I muscle test, I ask the person if they have any problems in that arm or shoulder. Often they have a sore shoulder or have had an injury in one arm etc. and then I would test the other arm.  I use whichever arm feels best to the person and I have been happy with the results.

Do you test several remedies or just the one you’re interested in?

I normally muscle test to find the weak areas of the body when I take the case. After I study the case and choose a remedy, I test them with the remedy I have chosen. Sometimes when I am testing to find the weak areas of the body, I will test them with a remedy that I think will make them weak, especially if they are skeptical. I test the remedy on their strong areas, and it makes them very weak. If there is a remedy I think may be good for them, I may have them hold it on their weak areas just to show them the difference. But I normally study the case and use the muscle testing to confirm my choice of remedies. There are too many remedies to test each one!

If it is an acute condition and I need a remedy right away, for example Arnica, I may test them on several potencies of Arnica to see which one they are strongest with. I encourage clients to use homeopathic home remedy kits, and to muscle test when they are unsure which remedy to use after they have narrowed it down to the ones they think are most suitable. This really helps them to develop confidence in their abilities to find an acute remedy from their kit.

If a female is muscle-testing a big strong man, isn’t it likely that she won’t be able to push his arm down no matter what?

I love testing big macho young men! They can’t believe that a little old lady can make their arm fall so easily when they put their other hand on (for example) their liver area (which often tests weak) or an area where they have a bruise or an old injury. Normally, there is no way I could pull that arm down even if I hung from it, but give them a vial of a remedy they don’t need, or have them touch a weak area of their body, and they are instant wimps! The looks on their faces are wondrous to behold! Usually they just look bewildered and ask me to do that again because they can’t believe it really happened! Then they want to know “Why?”, “How did you do that?”.

There are very few people that I haven’t been able to test over the years. If somebody makes up his mind he doesn’t believe this and it won’t work and won’t really cooperate, the results may not be accurate but that hasn’t happened very often.

Once I asked a man who was waiting for his wife to come and see how to muscle test, so he could help his wife to be tested at home. I usually like to muscle test relatives, so they get an idea what is happening and will be better able to test other family members. I knew this man was very ill and on kidney dialysis a couple of times a week. His wife had told me how sick he was and so I expected him to be weak on most of the test areas. You can imagine my astonishment when I began to test him and every point was strong! I knew that couldn’t be right. And then I noticed he was wearing a large stone on a chain around his neck. I told him that the stone might be affecting the muscle testing. He looked a bit surprised and then told me that he was wearing the stone as it was supposed to help eliminate toxins from his body. As a matter of fact, he added, the lady he had consulted had given him these other stones to help him as well. With that, he emptied his pockets of about 6 other large stones. After unloading his treasures, I again muscle tested him, and just as I had thought, he was indeed weak on most points. I told him that the woman’s choice of rocks seemed to be very good for him, and he agreed as he loaded them all back into his pockets.

When you muscle test, do you have to use several potencies to see which one is best?

When a person is strong on a remedy, they will normally be strong on all the potencies. Sometimes I would test them with the highest and lowest potency I had of a remedy. If they are strong on them, that would mean the remedy is a good one for them. I would then test them on individual potencies and quite often there would be one that would be stronger than the others. If you want to give that remedy again the next time, you will often find that they test weak on the original potency but very strong on a potency they haven’t had. Normally after a few potencies, they will test weak on the rest of the potencies which means they need a different remedy. Sometimes after the first potency, they are no longer strong on any of the other potencies which means they are finished with that remedy and need a different one.

Before giving the first dose of the remedy, you could test with different potencies to find which potency tests the strongest. If you normally give one dose, then you would give one dose. If you want to find out from the child if he needs more than one dose, you could ask while muscle testing “Do you need more than one dose?” If his arm goes weak, that is a “No.”

If his arm stays strong, that is a “Yes”. Since you only get yes or no answers, if you want to find out how many times he needs the remedy you might ask “Do you need more than 2 doses of this remedy?” If you get “Yes” you can ask “More than 3 doses?” etc.

If you want to know how often, you can ask “Do you need this remedy once a day?” If “No”, then “Do you need this remedy once a week?” If “yes” then you know to give the remedy once a week for however many weeks you arrived at with the last question.


If a child who’s on, let’s say, Tuberculinum, is acting crabby, and the parent is concerned that maybe his remedy is wearing off, how would one determine this using muscle testing?

Testing the child with Tuberculinum in the potency he has been taking would tell you if he needs another dose of that potency. If he tests weak with that potency, and you still think he needs the remedy, you could test a different potency.

Another possibility is that the remedy may have been too strong, and needs to be diluted. In that case, I would muscle test and ask if he needs the remedy diluted. If so, from what glass, i.e., “Up to glass 6?” “No” “Up to glass 12?” “Yes” “Glass 10?” “No” “Glass 11?” “Yes”.

It often takes a bit of muscle testing and a few good yes or no questions, but handling the case is much easier, and when they learn to muscle test themselves, they are happy to figure it out more precisely as they go along.

Once you master the muscle testing, you have much more confidence in the chosen remedies.

If you’re testing a remedy and it’s a partial simillimum, what sort of result will you get in terms of the arm strength or the “swaying” if you’re testing yourself?

Depending on how close the remedy is, you might find that it tests strong on some points and weak on others. When that happens, it isn’t good enough for me, and I search for a remedy that will be strong on all points. This can also happen near the end of a good remedy – if you test, it will be strong on some points and weak on others so you know it is time to either change the potency which should test strong on all points, or change to a new remedy which tests strong on all points.

The same will happen with the leaning test. You might find it difficult to figure out whether you are going forward or backward because you will seem to hesitate and it could be confusing. Before, with that remedy you probably went definitely forward. Some people get so good at the leaning test that they just have to pick up the remedy and they start to go in the forward or backward direction.

Very helpful in a store where you don’t know which brand of whatever is the best for you. People may look at you as if you have lost it, but it will save you time and money on vitamins etc. that you don’t need!

When people look at me curiously, I tell them what I am doing and ask them if they want me to muscle test them. Most are quite intrigued and want more information. Some think you are nuts whatever you try to tell them, but when they hear about muscle testing from another source in the future, it might click.

Does it get easier to tell if you test with a high potency, or would a 30C test the same as a 1M or 10M?

If a 6C or a 30C is really good for you, or really bad for you, you will get a stronger reaction than if it is so-so remedy for you. If it is a higher potency, it is a stronger remedy and so the reaction to the remedy is usually stronger – unless of course it isn’t a very potent remedy because of the way it was made or stored etc.

What I am trying to say is that the more that remedy will affect you, either positively or negatively, the stronger your muscle testing reaction will be. For example if you slam your fingers in the car door and need a remedy, Arnica may test ok, but in your particular case you may test much stronger with Hypericum. And if you test several potencies of Hypericum, one will probably test stronger than the others because it is more precisely matched to your particular condition.

Diane, if you’re testing a remedy for, say, a headache, which may be a belladonna headache, and you test with Calc-carb, which may be your constitutional, will you test positive for calc-carb eventhough it won’t help your headache?

If you decided to test a person on 6 or 7 remedies that you think could help them, you might find that several of them test strong on most test areas. The best one would be the one that tested the strongest on all areas. So, Calc-carb may test strong for the person with the headache, but during the headache, Belladonna would probably test stronger.

If a person needs a certain remedy, i.e. Calc-carb, but doesn’t need a dose now, they may test strong, but if you ask when testing the remedy if they need a dose now, you would get a weak response indicating “No”.

Sounds a bit complicated, but as you do it you learn what questions to ask and how much pressure is needed for testing etc. It becomes an art. Some people are better at it than others.

When testing an item, you are asking or intending to find the answer to “Is this good for me?” If you want to find out something different such as, “Do I need this now?” you must keep the question very simple and basic. If you ask long confusing questions, since you only get a yes or no answer, you won’t know which part of your question is being answered. For example, “Do I need to take this remedy (Arnica) twice a day for a week?” may get a “no” and leave you confused because you already asked if you need it twice a day and got “yes”, and you asked if you needed it for a week and got “yes”. On further testing, asking more specific questions, you may find that you need to take the Arnica twice a day for 4 days and then once a day for the rest of the week. So, keep the questions simple and if possible, test for a day at a time. That is why it works so well when people learn to do their own muscle testing.

Children catch on quite quickly. Years ago, two children who were coming to me, unknown to each, and at different schools, did muscle testing for their science project at school. In a science project competition, one reached the top level in competing with other schools in the City. They would get quite a thrill from being able to pull down an adult’s arm while they held a bag of junk food.

My ten year old granddaughter told her surprised mother that she was showing her friends how to muscle test because it was such a good way to find out what treats were good for them.

There are lots of books on the subject of Kinesiology or Muscle Testing, and there is lots of information on the Net about it.

Who should ask the questions? For instance, should the patient say, “Do I need this remedy?” or should the practitioner ask, “Does Harry need this remedy?”

When I began using muscle testing to find remedies, I simply found the weak spots on the body and then put the remedy I thought would work for them, on the weak spots. If they all tested strong, it was a good remedy. If they didn’t, I looked for one that did. Then I tried different potencies to find the strongest.

I listed the weak spots on their chart and checked new remedies on those spots in the future, because, as I said, those spots immediately become strong after the remedy has been taken.

Once that method was mastered, I tried other ways of using muscle testing as I thought of them or read of them (I love to try new things because one never knows where they will lead!).

Hope I haven’t overwhelmed you with too much info!

Let me muscle test and find out. I’m holding my brain area… “Is there any room left in there?” “Only enough for one more question.” Perfect! OK, let me ask you this:

If you’re getting an ambiguous reaction to a remedy, would it be smart to test the same remedy in a higher potency?

Yes. But, if you test a potency of that remedy that the person has already had and is finished with, they will test weak. In that case, you may decide it is not a good remedy for them if you didn’t know they had been on that potency before, when it could still be just what they need, but in a different potency.

I am now declaring myself overwhelmed! Thank you Diane, we look forward to talking to you again!

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Diane Fuller is a former Registered Nurse who studied homeopathy with Misha Norland from The School of Homeopathy and completed Lou Klein’s Master Clinician course. She practices in Prince George, B.C. Canada and can be reached at drfullerpg@gmail.com

Elaine Lewis is a graduate of Robin Murphy’s Hahnemann Academy of North America. Elaine takes online cases. Write to her at LEWRA@aol.com and visit her website at www.ElaineLewis.hpathy.com

Elaine Lewis

Elaine Lewis, D.Hom., C.Hom. Elaine is a passionate homeopath, helping people offline as well as online. Contact her at LEWRA@aol.com Elaine is a graduate of Robin Murphy's Hahnemann Academy of North America and author of many articles on homeopathy including her monthly feature in the Hpathy ezine, "The Quiz". Visit her website at: http://elainelewis.hpathy.com/ and TheSilhouettes.org

Diane Fuller

Diane Fuller is a former Registered Nurse who studied homeopathy with Misha Norland from The School of Homeopathy and completed Lou Klein"™s Master Clinician course. She practices in Prince George, B.C. Canada and can be reached at drfuller@telus.net.

Comments

  1. jimhebert

    Jim Hebert

    May 1, 2010

    Great article! I tried it and it really works. Incredible. Diane, you’re so smart!!

    • Diane Fuller

      Diane

      May 4, 2010

      Thanks Jim! The great part about it is that you can use it for allopathic medicines, herbs, foods and even things like pollen that you collect outside in a glass of water during allergy season.

      To antidote a food or medicine, put a few grains of the food or medicine in a glass of water and then dump and dilute until you get to the 12th or so glass (muscle testing can help you decide which glass to go to) before you take a dose.

      If you feel bad after eating, try spitting in a glass and dilute it the same way. Lots of people have had good results doing that as well!

      All the best,

      Diane

  2. Manish Madan

    January 11, 2013

    Dear Diane,
    I have been on some homeopathic remedies years ago and on more than one occasion. From those experiences I concluded it is really beneficial to see a good practitioner. Often, the remedies simply do nothing at all if the practitioner has formulaically prescribed something without trying to understand your constitution. I’m rediscovering homeopathy after years and being treated for a very complex set of conditions/symptoms that are really a hodge podge of physical, emotional and mental symptoms.
    Well, I’ll stop rambling and come to the point, I am really really intrigued by muscle testing, I’d never heard of it before. I would’ve loved to consult with you but I’m based in the UK. Is there an institution/clinic/individual in the UK you can recommend to me? After 7 years of being on some very toxic medicines I am desperate to be my normal self again.

    • Diane Fuller

      Diane

      February 2, 2013

      Thank you for your email Manish. I’m sorry, I don’t know of practitioners or organizations in the UK that do muscle testing and homeopathy, although, here in Canada, some naturopaths do both. You might want to phone some alternate practitioners and ask if they do some kind of testing for remedies.

      You may need to make some drastic changes in lifestyle if you have a lot of detoxifying to do. For this, you may get some help from http://www.gaps.me Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride’s website – she is in the UK. Also, Dr. Jerry Tennant who is a medical doctor and also a homeopath in the US, cured himself from an “incurable” illness and has some excellent info on the internet. http://tennantinstitute.us

      All the best in your search!

      Diane

  3. Mary

    January 23, 2013

    Hello,

    For several years I have been practicing muscle testing myself on foods and such because I am sensitive to many things. I have found you can use it for many things. Recently we found out my son’s room, in a house we just purchased is painted a bad color for him. So being kinda out there I had him muscle test color samples to find what would work in his room. Here is my question…on a few of the colors there was a distinct pull sideways to the right instead of back or forwards, does this mean anything? We both are curious as to why or what it means if anything. We did find two very positive colors for his room. Thank you for your time and help.

    Blessings,
    Mary

  4. Diane Fuller

    Diane

    February 2, 2013

    Thank you for your email Mary.

    I have seen some strange reactions when people try the leaning muscle test. One man, instead of going forward when something was good for him, swiveled around in a circle – the same man went sideways instead of backwards when something was not good for him.. Some people do go sideways instead of back or forward.

    Others, when they are being muscle tested by somebody else, get a pain in the arm being tested, or in some other part of the body as a reaction to whatever it is they are holding. One very sensitive lady can tell by just holding a remedy, what part of her body it will affect.

    We must remember that muscle testing is a way of finding the body’s reaction to what is being tested. Sometimes the message isn’t as clear as we would like it to be, and so we have to figure out ways of interpreting the information. Fascinating isn’t it?

    Maybe with your son, the color was ok, but the paint brand wasn’t? Maybe try testing the paint and the color separately.

    It is great that you are using muscle testing in such a creative way. It can be useful for so many things!

    God bless you,

    Diane

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